Voter-Owned Faces Questions

The Oregonian is digging into the way in which Vladimir Golovan helped Emilie Boyles -- and now Lucinda Tate -- collect 1000 $5 contributions for their city council campaigns.

On the last day to seek public campaign financing, one final Portland City Council hopeful turned in her list of qualifying contributions needed to receive taxpayer money -- a list remarkably similar to another candidate and notably reliant on the Slavic community.

Northeast Portland activist Lucinda Tate did not rely as heavily on contributions from Russian, Ukrainian and Croatian immigrants as Emilie Boyles, who received about 950 of her required 1,000, $5 donations from that community.

But Tate did get some last-minute help from Vladimir Golovan, also Boyles' chief fundraiser, to push her past the required number of donations before the 5 p.m. deadline Thursday.

Of course, a key question is whether either campaign broke the rules by paying for signatures:

Neither Boyles nor Tate paid Golovan to gather signatures. But he's now working on Boyles' campaign. If she qualifies for public financing, Tate said she plans to hire him, too.

Advocates in favor of the Voter-Owned Elections system are calling for an investigation:

"On the whole, (public financing) seems to be working," said Carol Cushman, president of the Portland League of Women Voters. "It's rather unfortunate that we have what looks to be not good."

Said Janice Thompson, executive director of the Money in Politics Research Action Project, "This isn't about any one candidate. But there are some issues here that the citizens' commission should probably check out."

Discuss.

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    The people who supported and worked for this reform -- like the League of Women Voters -- are the ones calling for a thorough investigation of the allegations made. If Boyles or any other candidate violated the rules, they should not be entitled to Voter-Owned funds. Period.

    That's how the system was designed. It's worth pointing out that the old big money system also had many candidates and bad actors who broke the rules -- like Tom Moyer's Secretary contributing $1000 to Jim Francesconi. Also, Oregon's initiative system -- which Oregonians overwhelmingly support -- may have been subject to fraud by Bill Sizemore and others, but the appropriate response was not to get rid of our system of entire direct democracy, but to strongly penalize wrongdoing and fraud.

    Gary Blackmer and the City Auditor's office need to investigate -- and certainly there should be a presumption of innocence -- but if fraud has occured, VOE funds should be revoked. Every system has those who will try to take advantage of it; a strong system is one that has rules and safeguards against wrongdoing.

  • Carol Cushman (unverified)
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    I am Carol Cushman, President of the League of Women Voters of Portland. LWV strongly supports Voter Owned Elections (VOE); campaign finance reform is one of our national priorities. It is important to realize that problems and concerns come up in the old fashioned system of financing campaigns. Remember Dan Doyle? He was just released from prison after pocketing campaign contributions. Obviously, careful review of the VOE system is essential. In fact LWV Portland has just released the following statement:

    Portland’s Voter-Owned Elections reform is beginning to change our city’s political landscape. An important feature of the law is the Citizens Campaign Commission, which should review concerns such as those raised in recent Oregonian coverage.

    “One significant change is that incumbents are facing a real challenge since the unfair money advantage of incumbency is removed,” said Carol Cushman, president of the League of Women Voters of Portland. “One VOE supporter, Commissioner Dan Saltzman, is voluntarily agreeing to limit campaign spending which would not be occurring without this reform.”

    “At the same time we’ve seen that the qualifying threshold of 1,000 $5 contributions hasn’t resulted in large numbers of hobby candidates as feared by some critics,” continued Cushman.

    The Voter-Owned Elections ordinance includes numerous safeguards that are far stronger than state law regarding campaign contributions and spending. The Citizens Campaign Commission is charged with monitoring implementation and recommending improvements.

    One issue raised by the Oregonian is the appearance that some people signed for others in their household, which is not allowed. “The Commission should review the forms and, as a first step, recommend tighter verification procedures to ensure that such signatures don’t count,” said Cushman.

    “The Commission’s next step should be talking with these people to ensure that the accompanying $5 contribution actually came from the person identified, even if he or she didn’t provide the proper signature,” said Cushman. “If the person didn’t really give $5, this raises the possibility that contributions were made in a false name. This is against state law regarding any campaign donation, a very serious allegation requiring swift legal action.”

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    I think the whole "paying for signatures" idea is a red herring. There's a reason Golovan would want to volunteer to collect them; clearly the Eastern Bloc community wants an active voice in City politics. There's also no law about supporting multiple candidates, so the fact that both Tate and Boyles got help from Golovan doesn't strike me as dirty business, either.

    Now, whether Golovan performed as the laws provide is a valid and open question. I don't think it's a sound basis for conclusion to rely on the (perhaps intentionally) shady memories of some of the signatories. But if there are cases of one person signing for multiple people, that should show up in the contributor sheets.

    Which brings the next question: if that were the case, why wouldn't Susan Francois and her staff catch it? When I spoke to her about the process a few weeks ago, she was adamant that a single substantive error in the submission would invalidate their entire request for certification. One duplicate, one non-resident of Portland, one $5.10 donation, and it's over for you. And while 1,000 names isn't chicken feed, it's not too much to go over by hand in the allotted week.

    So if she certified Boyles' sheets, did she just miss what's being alleged...or is what's being alleged not clear from the sheets, and someone at The O is speculating? That'd be worth knowing, all right.

    I think the next iteration of this should be restricted to registered voters. It's consistent, and offers verifiability on a number of points (residency, age, signature). I appreciate the idea that people who aren't registered nonetheless should be able to participate in other ways, but it just makes things too complicated--and I have to say, if you can't even motivate yourself to register to vote, should you be contributing money to the process?

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    Worth mentioning is one other bit from the Theo article which to my mind tosses Boyles from legitimate consideration regardless of these allegations.

    In a faxed statement Thursday, Boyles accused the newspaper of religious discrimination against Christian conservatives and Slavic Christians in particular.

    This is so much BS that it reeks of, "Uhoh, I'm in trouble, better throw up a smoke screen."

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    Ah yes, that struck me as a really, really bad move by Boyles. Thanks for the reminder. I haven't soured on her completely, but she's off to an uninspired start IMO.

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    O.K. the Oregonian is not a bastion of liberal media bias. I do not agree that these alleged transgressions against VOE should result in the system being thrown out. I have had a huge problem with self-identified "progressives" or "liberals" who have bitched & moaned about VOE. The Oregonian, in my opinion, picked up on that thread from liberal blogs such as BlueOregon and is now throwing in some new fodder for these P.I.N.O.'s or L.I.N.O.'s who talk a good game of campaign finance reform, but don't have the gonads to stand up for a system that our elected officials enacted without wussing out via the initiative process.

    The Citizen Campaign Commission will undoubtably have a lot of "process" and "procedure" work to do. Hopefully, they will get on this issue a.s.a.p. so that our system will provide direct evidence to the nay sayers out there that VOE is a pet project, or is not a priority.

    Thank you Charlie and Carol for your diligence in highlighting the role of the Citizen Commission and the need for the Commission to step up and in a hurry on this issue.

  • Steve (unverified)
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    "the old big money system also had many candidates and bad actors who broke the rules"

    What a ringing defense of VoE, the old system is bad. One small diff, the old way only took private funds, now we are throwing away public money. If you really think this is changing how politicians do business, I really don't see Erik going out and meeting the voters now that he is freed from the onerous burden of raising money.

    Maybe if Erik had thought this out a little, City Council wouldn't be getting the great press it is now. I am daring anyone to put this up for a vote now.

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    I was under the impression that the candidate needed to get the 1,000 signatures personally, not have this done by surrogates. Can someone tell me if this is true or not? If surrogates can do it, it seems to me that the system will break down and can not meet its original objective. After all, someone needs to be able to swear that the cash came in $5 amounts from the people on the list. If the candidate didn't raise the funds and signatures, how do they swear that it was done right? What's to keep a group from doing this and then paying themselves out of the city's funding?

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    John, when you ran for State Rep., I'm sure that most of your fundraising "asks" were done by you personally (perhaps not all?), but it's very common in political campaigns to have a finance committee who also raises money for that candidate. I've personally raised tens of thousands of dollars for Bradbury, for example. I also gave money to John Kerry, but obviously he didn't personally asked me.

    What's important here is: did the Boyles and Tate campaigns list contributors who in fact didn't contribute? If so, they shouldn't be entitled to VOE funds.

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    Steve, I just used the example of John Kerry's campaign, and of course both his and Bush's campaign used public funds. As does Ginny Burdick's current race for City Council.

  • colorless green ideas (unverified)
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    b!x, where did this quote come from:

    in a faxed statement Thursday, Boyles accused the newspaper of religious discrimination against Christian conservatives and Slavic Christians in particular.

    this is all very disappointing. i thought that emily boyles was kind of a refreshing voice in this race. i haven't decided who to vote for yet, but i thought she at least offered a different perspective, while still being generally "progressive" (not even sure what that means anymore).

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    Sten is out there "meeting the voters." He is also serving as a City Commissioner too.

    Steve, why don't you host a house party and invite Sten to come if you feel he is not reaching out to your neighborhood?

    It was never the intent to mandate any candidate seeking VOE funds to go it alone and do it themselves. Each campaign should have quality control mechanisms in place prior to submission and the City Auditor's office should have, if the Oregonian allegations are true, compitent quality control mechanisms in place to catch this stuff.

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    Charlie,

    I know that fundraising in the traditional order is often done by supporters (I actually did all of mine). I was still under the impression that the reform was to set up a test for the candidate to go out and get 1,000 names at $5 each partly to ensure that it was a hurtle that only the dedicated would take on.

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    John,

    Yes, a 1000 contribution threshold was specifically designed to put the burden on campaigns to go out and demonstrate community support. But having traditionally under-served, under-representated communities organizing on behalf of a candidate I think is actually a good thing, and still takes a lot of work. If the system is getting more people involved -- and playing by the rules -- that's great.

    Under our existing system, what's being alleged with Boyles is not allowed. If wrongdoing is proven, then Tate or Boyles should not be allowed to use VOE funds.

    PS I had a hard to picturing a surrogate from your race getting a check from Lloyd Benson!

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    b!x, where did this quote come from:

    From the newspaper article linked at the start of this BlueOregon post.

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    I was still under the impression that the reform was to set up a test for the candidate to go out and get 1,000 names at $5 each partly to ensure that it was a hurtle that only the dedicated would take on.

    The proposal itself just said "Clean Money systems require candidates to gather a specified number of small contributions." Whether that's through door-knocking, blogging, or a single public event (or any other method)--the system seems agnostic toward it. Even if the methodology were specified, how could you police it? Seems that the act of having gathered the checks, rather than the method, is its own proof.

    None of this is particularly relevant to this case--presumably all methods require knowledge and consent of the donor.

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    Pat,

    Why the quotes in this statement: I have had a huge problem with self-identified "progressives" or "liberals" who have bitched & moaned about VOE.

    Does asking questions about VOE disqualify someone from being a liberal or progressive?

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    And I agree with b!x -- both of the candidates here come off as either dissembling or deliberately naive.

    Look at the Tate quotes. She spent six months trying to get signatures and was still 400 or so short. Golovan contacts her and offers to finish the job, and does it in a few weeks. Tate says she was "shocked" but assumed nothing untoward happened. And by the way, she's planning on hiring Golovan.

    Oh, really? There may be good reasons to have amateurs in politics, but political naivete or stupidity ain't.

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    According to Anna G, a sampling of the problematic Boyles sheets have now been posted online (pdf).

  • Ross Williams (unverified)
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    Tate says she was "shocked" but assumed nothing untoward happened. And by the way, she's planning on hiring Golovan.

    I would hire Golovan in a minute under those circumstances. He delivered 400 signatures and $5 contributions in a short period of time. That requires a pretty good network and showed he could deliver it. There is nothing naive about that. That's how a lot of people get started in politics.

    As for Emilie Boyles, it looks a little like she is a stealth candidate. That's too bad. I doubt a Christian conservative can win a citywide race in Portland, but its unfortunate that she wasn't open about that part of her agenda until now.

    I'm not sure you can limit the contributors to registered voters, you would probably run into first amendment issues. But something needs to be done to prevent people from laundering a $25 dollar contribution into five $5 contributions from family members.

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    The rules and safeguards should are applied evenly to all candidates. I may not be a Christian consersative myself, but if a Christian conservative wants to get more actively involved with local government because of Voter-Owned Elections, great. Nothing wrong with that.

    But just a two minute examination of her qualifying petition appears to include multiple signatures signed by the same person. Not O.K. This is one of the reasons PROPONENTS OF VOTER OWNED ELECTIONS ARE THE ONES CALLING FOR A FULL AND TIMELY REVIEW.

    Ross, about converting $25 dollars into 5 separate $5 contributions, all is needed is for the City Auditor's office to apply the existing law and honor the rules already in place.

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    I would hire Golovan in a minute under those circumstances. He delivered 400 signatures and $5 contributions in a short period of time. That requires a pretty good network and showed he could deliver it. There is nothing naive about that. That's how a lot of people get started in politics.

    Yeah, well, if you go by these sample sheets Theo has posted online, he's either shifty or not paying attention while "delivering" it. Neither one of those options is quite what someone should be looking for.

    But something needs to be done to prevent people from laundering a $25 dollar contribution into five $5 contributions from family members.

    Of course, this is a problem in the non-VOE fundraising process as well.

  • Ross Williams (unverified)
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    Of course, this is a problem in the non-VOE fundraising process as well.

    And, as we have seen, contribution limits are difficult to enforce. But the contributions in the VOE process are qualifying contributions for public funds. They are intended as demonstrations of financial support. So someone else paying is not just a violations of the limit on contributions but defeats the purpose of requiring a contribution, not just a signature. The law is clear, but there needs to be enforcement in place that creates a realistic likelihood people who cheat will be caught.

    he's either shifty or not paying attention while "delivering" it. Neither one of those options is quite what someone should be looking for.

    If it turns out the guy cheated you (or for you), obviously he isn't someone you want to hire. From looking at the petitions, it seems obvious not everyone signed their own name.

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    The law is clear, but there needs to be enforcement in place that creates a realistic likelihood people who cheat will be caught.

    There's little question that there needs to be a process internal to the elections office to catch potentially duplicate signatures of the sort which appear on the Boyles sheets. In the normal system of contributions disclosure, things tend to be complaint-driven, or spurred by news organizations checking the forms.

    In this case, as has been said, it seems something is off if the elections office couldn't notice potentially duplicate signatures on the same sheet, or possibly adjacent sheets. Precisely because this is about qualifying for public monies, not simply the reporting of monies gathered privately from citizens to fund an entire campaign, either some necessary part of VOE failed, or some necessary part of VOE is missing from the law.

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    Seems that the act of having gathered the checks, rather than the method, is its own proof.

    There's no requirement for "checks." These can be CASH contributions. And so NO paper trail for these kind of donations. If someone can't see that the same signer signed for multiple people, then I'm afraid they're in total denial. That doesn't help to promote the cause, folks.

    Supporters of "Voter Owned Elections" need to demand that NO money be
    given to anyone associated with this obvious fraud --immediately-- until this gets resolved. In my opinion --a personal opinion-- there is no question that what this head of the Russian Chamber of Commerce has conducted is a fraud. That both candidates of VOE are interested in hiring him...I think that tells you about those candidates.

    I think Voter Owned Elections has a good intent, but has systemic problems with how this has been set up. We've got a scandal of huge proportions...the proponents of VOE need to step to the plate to say baloney is baloney...otherwise its the same old baloney. And the voters, when they're finally allowed to weigh in, will not be pleased!

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    Portland's VOE obviously has no tangible effect on Corvallis or Benton County, but its success is crucial as a means to ridding Oregon of the current system, which is far worse than anything that's gone wrong with VOE. i'm not surprised something like this happened; after all, this is the maiden voyage, so to speak. of course problems are going to occur; of course people are going to screw up or cheat or be stupid. that's what we hooman beengs do.

    what matters is identifying what works and what doesn't, and then fixing what went wrong. this experiment is far too valuable to give up on. it's imperative Pdx makes this thing work. after a few successful elections with VOE (which, you will recall, is working well in other places around the nation), we can expand it to other parts of the state. our democracy is too valuable to let some growing pains with a new and far better system undermine this reform. just remember how many people doubted vote-by-mail, and we now know it's probably the best system in the nation. VOE can follow suit.

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    So let's see -- Boyles is diqualified, probably Tate too. So what did "clean money" accomplish? Fritz would have run anyway, and Sten, the incumbent, got a free ride.

    What an accomplishment.

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    which, you will recall, is working well in other places around the nation

    I'm sorry, but I don't recall that. Where is it working well? Where is it that the sleazebags who dominate politics with their ready handouts to sweaty palms have been cast aside?

    Yes, yes, I know...we have publically financed presidential campaigns that have swept into the dustbin of history those monied interests that used to so cynically manipulate our presidential electoral system.

    But aside from that success story?

    Look, folks on the fence --like me-- who'd like to believe in the viability of a new paradigm of political reform, but are, well, pretty cynical...we need to see ACTION when an obvious fraud takes place, and this new system gets so willfully --and crudely-- manipulated.

  • Ron Ledbury (unverified)
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    Will they remain on the ballot?

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    Maybe it's because I've been out of town this week, but has this question been answered: Were the contributions in question made by check or by cash?

    If by check, then there exists somewhere a printed record (the checks themselves, or copies) of the individual intent to contribute $5 each. Even if now someone can't remember (or doesn't want to tell a reporter that they remember) giving the $5, well, the check is the proof.

    If by cash, then we may have a problem.

    The next iteration of these rules should exclude cash as a payment method, and include credit cards. Both checks and credit cards can be traced to the donor -- while cash is untraceable.

    Under the current system, credit and debit card contributions are disallowed. Despite repeated efforts on my part (and repeated promises on the part of Susan Francois and Gary Blackmer) the system ended up NOT including easily-traceable credit card and debit card contributions. Untraceable cash was inexplicably included.

    I support VOE, and I fully expected that we'd have a few bumps in the road along the way. Let's fix 'em and move on.

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    I support VOE, and I fully expected that we'd have a few bumps in the road along the way. Let's fix 'em and move on.

    Do we ask for the money back from a candidate who supplied forged signatures...or not? (My wife says I should say "IF they supplied forged signatures." I say: "c'mon...IF?)

    I don't think "tsk tsk" is going to cut it. If we're handing out major bucks to obvious scam artists and we don't rectify that problem...this attempt at reform is doomed.

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    Do we ask for the money back? Yes.

    BTW, something to add to the mix here -- don't forget that state law still applies here. If they didn't actually collect the $5000, but reported it on their C&E's, then there's a violation of state law there.

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    Also, a good system isn't one that has no problems. It's one where they catch the people that try and defraud it. In Arizona, for example, one state legislator was removed from office.

    Of course, while it would be better if the auditor's office uncovered the problems, it's not irrelevant that the media caught 'em. That's the whole point of public disclosure. With public disclosure, the media and your opponents serve as an informal and private corrective.

  • Michael Wilson (unverified)
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    Think this is a problem? Just wait till the white supremist discover this source of money. M.W.

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    Just wait till the white supremist discover this source of money.

    Have I mentioned lately how much I despise living the last several years in a country where more and more people seem to instinctively gravitate towards playing some sort of fear card?

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    Michael -- I don't think you'll be able to find 1000 people willing to put themselves on a public list in support of a white supremacist candidate. They haven't been able to draw more than a few dozen folks to any public event in Oregon, in years.

  • Arnold (unverified)
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    Auditor Gary Blackmer sits in an elected office (on the ballot this May) that is legally bound to protect and oversee the policies enacted by Portland City Council. The stated mission of his office is "To promote open and accountable government..."

    A strong and transparent investigation must occur immediately. Merely nashing teeth over it in Citizen Oversight Committees is unacceptable. Their role will be to recommend solutions AFTER this potential fraud is fully pursued.

    Auditor Blackmer, step up!!

  • lw (unverified)
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    If some/all of this proves to be true, state law has been broken as Kari states. The state needs to step in immediately and make a determination. I hope the state follows a similar path and treat the crime(s) like they did with Doyle and his wife.

    If true, Golovan should also be prosecuted just like past petition/money gatherers the state has prosecuted (Sizemore).Let's be fair, Bradbury.

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    Arnold, Blackmer IS looking into this, as reported in today's Oregonian.

  • Ron Ledbury (unverified)
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    Some people do not have checking accounts. Some people who do might prefer that the account numbers not become public record.

    There is no inherent reason that any money at all accompany a petition for public campaign money.

    That is, a more narrowly tailored requirement would be to exclude the money requirement entirely rather than to prescribe checks. I could supply proof of identity and consent for signatures by use of a video camera too . . . thus rendering the requirement of a check, solely for fraud prevention purposes, unessential.

    Another problem remains too in that a candidate cannot appeal to people to deliver money to the city, incrementally, to cover the public cost. If they can do so in one lump sum then they can do so in little bits at a time.

  • Ramon (unverified)
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    “One significant change is that incumbents are facing a real challenge since the unfair money advantage of incumbency is removed,” said Carol Cushman, president of the League of Women Voters of Portland.

    This is simply an incorrect understanding of the way it works. Campaign limits do not harm incumbents. They only hobble the challengers. Incumbency equates to a gross built-in advantage in free media coverage and higher name recognition. The only way for a challenger to compete is by being able to purchase the media exposure that the incubent enjoys freely. Campaign imits amount to incumbents imposing unilateral disarmament upon challengers.

    Worshiping incumbents and incumbency causes people to have brain-outages like this.

    A far better approach to making elections fair is TERM LIMITS. Having frequent, predictable open seat elections solves the problem entirely. There are always a greater number of better qualified candidates for open seats. The campaigns are more energizing and informative and result in a better discussion of public issues than re-elections against hobbled challengers. There are always other elected offices or ways to serve the community for termed out incumbents who have done a good job in an office for 2 terms, so in case your are unneccessarily feeling sorry for them, remember that the U.S. Supreme Court has already decided that there is no constitutional right to run over and over and over again for the same office.

    But the LWV opposes term limits, 360 degrees, even in court that resulted in the above-cited ruling, so it does not really want to promote fair elections. Like typical lobbying groups, it wants rules that keep its favorite politicians in office forever.

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    Arnold, Blackmer IS looking into this, as reported in today's Oregonian.

    He also says he's not sure the City has the authority to take the money back, which is seemingly contradicted by the relevant VOE code and administrative rules.

  • Arnold (unverified)
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    Auditor Blackmer's comments in today's Oregonian have the distinct tait of passing the buck and making excuses. "It wouldn't be fair to the candidates."?? "Making it easier on the overworked elections officer."?? Please.

    He has the authority to step in immediately. Does he have the cojones?

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    If there's fraud -- and there's every indication that's the case -- Boyles should have to return the Voter-Owned funds. No argument here.

  • PanchoPdx (unverified)
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    b!X wrote:

    "Have I mentioned lately how much I despise living the last several years in a country where more and more people seem to instinctively gravitate towards playing some sort of fear card?"

    You mean like the idiots who exploited the "fear" of big donors corrupting Portland politics as a means of pimping a politician-welfare system?

    And it's already doling out six-figure checks to crooks.

    I can always recognize a "progressive solution" because it ends up making things worse than the original "problem".

    Progressives were upset about percieved inequities in the marketplace and patterns of development they considered less than socially optimal.

    To remedy the "problem" they encouraged city commissioners to act like social engineers and pass multiple layers of regulation to shape private investment and development decisions.

    But that didn't provide adequate results (and pissed off a lot of investors) so they remedied that "problem" by encouraging public investment. By giving the elected social engineers some capital, they could really influence investment decisions through "public-private partnerships".

    But most of those decisions turn out to lose money, in part because the politicians don't really understand what they are doing and, in part, because a bunch of wormtongue developers realized that it is much easier to gamble on projects when you don't have to pay everyone back. In exchange for the public investment the developers provided the elected social engineers with political security (via donations).

    That "problem" was then remedied by Taxpayer Financed Campaigns. They were designed to remove the obvious influence of developers, encourage opponents to run, but ultimately protect the incumbent (in an even fight best name recognition wins).

    But people are ripping off the new system (free money, why not?). So the next remedy will be designed to protect the "integrity" of the system but will ultimately make it tougher for people to use it. If it survives (it will be DOA in November if it gets to the ballot) only professional politicians or folks supported by political cartels (unions, organized ethnic communities, specific issue groups, etc.) will be able to put forward candidates.

    Some "progress".

  • Michael Wilson (unverified)
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    Playiing the "Fear Card"? I don't think so. Just listen to the comments on talkradio regarding the immigration protest. If the economy goes south you can count on people blaming others for their problems. There may not be 1000 people in Portland today to sign a petition, or write a check, but given the proper subtle words and a bad economy, you can bet your life there will be. And I happen to be pro immigration. Enough so that I scare some people. M.W.

  • Steve (unverified)
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    "Have I mentioned lately how much I despise living the last several years in a country where more and more people seem to instinctively gravitate towards playing some sort of fear card?"

    What about fear OHSU will leave town if we don't build a tram, fear the Beavers will leave town if we don't put $35M into CIvic Stadium, fear $1M condos won't get built if we don't let them pay $150/year in property taxes, fear that PCS won't be able to grow unless we build them Armory Theater for $35M. By god, PanchoPDX, fear does run the government.

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    Um guys, "fear" of businesses leaving or "fear" of big campaign doners is not that same as saying "wait until the white supremecists use this!" -- the latter being the local version of dropping the word "terrorism" into a political conversation.

    Don't cheapen the bullshit that the fear card is by just dropping whatever you favorite public policy pet peeve is into the term. That's just weak.

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    Some people do not have checking accounts. Some people who do might prefer that the account numbers not become public record.

    And that's what money orders are for. Also, debit/credit cards (which don't, you'll recall, deliver the card number to the payee.)

  • Ron Ledbury (unverified)
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    Kari,

    Suppose the voters in Portland passed a charter amendment that required that any poll commissioned by the city council to explore the public support for placement of some matter on the ballot must include a five-dollar payment from each survey respondent.

    Suppose this was Texas and the city council said that any candidate must deliver 10,000 dollars to the city as a condition for placement of their name on the ballot. Such a monetary demand has been ruled as a violation of the First Amendment. This is the very reason we routinely find the alternative of money or x number of signatures as two alternative and mutually exclusive routes to placement of a name on a ballot.

    The combined signature and money thing is just weird. The money cannot be demanded as a condition, without the alternative of a purely signature based route to eligibility. The public purpose that justifies the demand for money cannot be the money itself but only as a means of aiding in signature fraud detection. The money order, as with cash, would not necessarily serve this role in the same manner as that of a check.

    The city could demand, theoretically, that each signature be notarized by an officially recognized notary public where the notary would witness the signing and examine the ID of the signor. Then, the city could perhaps couple this with a demand that the notary charge no more than five dollars for such service related to a campaign.

    This is just one tripwire among many others. The law is not the utterance of a few words and criteria by the city council or even a charter amendment alone. Our system is much more diversified and multi-faceted than a mere scrivener would be expected to fully understand. The test of the legality of some piece of official writing is not conclusive upon its drafting. You and I could both read exactly the same code but could come to radically different conclusions. While I will see swiss cheese, you may see a brick wall. It is just a matter of perspective.

    By the way, I have received actual green cash in the mail from a private survey outfit. I can only surmise that they wanted to induce some sort of guilt upon receipt of the cash so that I would actually complete the survey. Most initiative-sponsor-type stuff is not confined to support of a measure but to support only to the placement of a matter on the ballot. Here, the support, the five-dollar-backed support, is support only for the allowance of a party to obtain public funding and is neither support for the candidate nor is it a commitment to vote for the person at an election, either primary or general. This limited intent of the signor would be revealed by noting that a given signor could sign and give five bucks to multiple candidates for the same position. This again supports the notion that the demand for five bucks is limited to fraud detection, which supports the check over cash thing but more strongly supports removing the demand for any money at all as part of the process.

    Again, think back to a typical phone pollster's gut reaction to a government demand that they must get five dollars from a survey respondent. This would best illuminate and capture my sense of skepticism as to the coupling of the five-dollar demand with the signature in Portland's publicly funded campaign pre-condition criteria for eligibility.

  • Steve (unverified)
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    "Don't cheapen the bullshit that the fear card is by just dropping whatever you favorite public policy pet peeve is into the term. That's just weak."

    <h2>Sorry, I gues I was too subtle. The fear card is something everyone from Bush down to the CityCouncil and Metro pull out. I am not condoning it's use regardless of the situation. I think it is weak, but I guess we need to get to a point of fear fatigue before people will stop buying it.</h2>
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