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Bill SizemoreThat's right, Blue Oregonians, but the one and only Bill Sizemore has finally jumped into our pool. Almost a month after Bix's round-up of the 2006 Sizemore measures, ol' Bill himself finally jumped in with this snarkiness...

Interesting to learn so many things about myself and my meausures than I knew before. Trust the left to create their own spin without regard to reality.

He goes on quite some length. Check it out, talk back, enjoy.

Oh, and Bill: You might Google yourself and catch up on all the good stuff we've been saying about you.

  • afs (unverified)
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    Bill S.:"...Finally, those comparing compulsory union dues to good ole American democracy are not making a relevant comparison. Here's why: If there was an election at your workplace and a majority of union members (who just happened to be say Mormon or Catholic) approved a resolution taking money out of every employees' paycheck and transferring the funds for the benefit of the Mormon or Catholic Church for their evangelistic programs..."

    Horsefeathers, Bill.

    A union getting involved in the political process so it can better do it's assigned role to be a more successful collective bargining agent for it's members is not the same thing as the union donating to a Catholic/Mormon Church because a bunch of members happen to be Catholic/Mormon. Being a member of a particular church denomination has NOTHING to do with the core responsibility that unions are supposed to do. A union working to improve the political environment so that it can more effectively collectively bargin for it's members is a direct extention of the union's core responsibility.

    By the way, why do you hate democracy, Bill?

    As I said on the previous thread...the people that voted for Kulongoski to be Governor got Kulongoski for their Governor because he got more votes. The people that voted for Mannix got Kulongoski for their Governor, too. The people in Oregon that voted for Mannix do not get Mannix to be their Governor. Kulongoski won the election. He's everyone's governor. Same with unions. The people that lose union votes have to abide by the decision of the majority until the next union election. Everyone in a union gets their say-so in that union's elections. People that vote for those who lose elections don't get to have a different Governor, different state laws, a different contract, or different employment rules just because they voted for something other than what won an election process. They abide by the decision of the majority until they get to have their say again at the next election. That's the way democracies work. If you're against the way unions currently do business, you are against democracy and majority rule.

  • richard (unverified)
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    The people that voted for Bush to be President got Bush for their President because he got more votes. The people that voted for Kerry got Bush for their President too. The people in America that voted for Kerry do not get Kerry to be their President. Bush won the election. He's everyone's President. People that vote for those who lose elections don't get to have a different President just because they voted for something other than what won an election process. They abide by the decision of the majority until they get to have their say again at the next election. That's the way democracies work. If you're against the way this works you are against democracy and majority rule.

  • afs (unverified)
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    Richard... what exactly does any of that have to do with Oregon ballot initiaves?

  • Pliny (unverified)
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    Richard, that was cheap.

    Though when you think about it, there has been a good bit less "Bush is not my president" rhetoric since the chimp actually won an election.

  • McBain (unverified)
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    I think what Richard is saying is not in relation to the iniative system in oregon, rather it is reffering to how workplace democracy is an accurate reflection of our society as a whole.

    In any case giving workers a say in their workplace, what to do with their resources as an organization is scary for some out there. They would like to have more control over workers.

    The truth is, its in the best interest of companies like Wal-Mart and the Olin Chemical Corporation to fund the National Right to Work Committee and fan the flames of arguments by people like Mr. Sizemore.

    What bothers me most about this discussion is as a lifelong Oregonian, I hate to see this measre come up again and again and again. The voters have spoken - move on.

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