Obama, Merkley, Macpherson, and Brown top straw poll

At the DPO Summit, attendees participated in a straw poll on several upcoming 2008 primary races. Here's the results, from the Associated Press:

President
Barack Obama 49
John Edwards 47
Hillary Clinton 36
Bill Richardson 12
Dennis Kucinich 10

U.S. Senate
Jeff Merkley 103
Steve Novick 50

Attorney General
Greg Macpherson 76
John Kroger 73

Secretary of State
Kate Brown 89
Brad Avakian 49
Vicki Walker 20

The full story is at Associated Press. Hat tip to Beaver Boundary.

Discuss.

  • Jerry Atlansky (unverified)
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    ALERT! Macpherson's aid has contacted us to open up a communication direct with Macpherson so we can determine exactly where he stands on our, "truly reforming law enforcement."
    Kroger has failed to respond to us evern after we sent him two requests to start a diologe and we notified almost all of his peers at the college where he is employed.

    UPDATED LETTER TO ALL OREGONIANS

    Monday-October 8, 2007

    Jerry Atlansky-Chairperson Oregon State Police- Independent Citizens Review Board Portland, Oregon

    Honorable Senator Ben Westlund Oregon State Senate State Capitol Building Room S-318 Salem, Oregon 97301

    Subject: Truly reforming law enforcement

    This is our sincere request to obtain your support to truly reform law enforcement. With your desire to become the next Oregon State Treasurer we ask for your cooperation to read the following material and decide if you are for the changes we are suggesting to make policing more civil which is a dire challenge?

    Please call me to set up a meeting direct with you so we can address this very important matter.

    We will include our support or non-support of you to hundreds of Oregonians each day to the following data after we receive direct information from all people that desire to be the next Treasurer of the great state of Oregon.

    Future success for Treasurer!

    Jerry Atlansky [email protected] 24/366

    UPDATE: Governor Kulongoski will hire the next Attorney General with anyone that will NOT protect the public from out of control cops. With Attorney General Myer's resignation, "why would the governor leave these matters for the public to elect the next Attorney General?" Myers term expires Jan. 2009 the governor will hire his replacement Jan. 2008. "We The Government, For The Government, it's broken we must fix it." Jerry Atlansky

    Please read the following data which is a condensed view of our organizations work to bring civility to policing, by starting at the heart of most illegal use of excessive force by the hands of out of control law enforcement officers as witnessed by other officers.

    Will you support our efforts by contacting the superiors of the 6 top law enforcement officials named in this report to require them to comply to our requests of three steps to save physical/mental brutality, lethal force by rogue cops against in many cases completely innocent people?

    1. Amend the Police "Code of Conduct" policy/procedures to include: (A) Law enforcement supervisors and line officers are required to intervene when an officer uses excessive force. (B) when officers are repeatedly beating/kicking a restrained person supervisors and line officers must stop the excessive force and arrest the offending officers. (C) If a person is not attacking anyone the FBI state that if officers use lethal force against a person that is unjustifiable homicide.

    2. Train/re-train specific step by step , minimum to maximum force to the highest use of force in attempts to deescalate violence when time and situations permit officers to apply them.

    3. Work with our organization to improve on the trust the public has for law enforcement by monitoring, offering other alternatives to methods and equipment to lessen stress and risk situations.

    Jerry Atlansky-Chairperson Oregon State Police- Independent Citizens Review Board Portland, Oregon

    Last Subject: Randall Edwards-Oregon State Treasurer refuses to take any action to save lives and millions of $ each year. United States Law Enforcement is two major steps towards a "Secret Police State!"

    On July 24, 2007 Oregon Treasury Division responded to our Letter To All Oregonians with Randall Edwards full response, below is our reply to his response and two months later Mr. Edwards failed to take any action to save lives every year and many millions of dollars. Our final determination is Mr. Edwards is derelict of his duties to save money of the states funds whenever possible which would also make the law enforcement bureaus more effective and help stop the rogue cops illegal actions.

    Oregon Treasury wrote:

    Mr. Atlansky,

    Thank you for your email message to the State Treasurer Randall Edwards.

    The State Treasurer's authority and scope of duties do not extend to law enforcement at the local or the state level. It would be inappropriate for the State Treasurer to become involved in this issue. Thank you.

    *PLEASE read to the very end of this e-mail Many thanks! Jerry Atlansky

    -----Original Message-----

    From: Jerry and/or Susan Atlansky [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:23 AM To: Oregon Treasury Subject: Update: Washington County Sheriff Rob Gordon refuses to protect the public from rogue cops

    Saturday-July 7, 2007

    Jerry Atlansky-Chairperson Oregon State Police- Independent Citizens Review Board

    State Treasurer Randall Edwards Oregon State Capitol Salem, Oregon

    Subject: United States Law Enforcement Is Two Major Steps Towards "A Police State!" Washington County Sheriff Gordon refuses to protect the public from rogue cops

    OPEN LETTER TO ALL OREGONIANS:

    In the fall of 2005 after the horrific police action against Fouad Kaady, the 27 year old man that needed medical help as he was naked, bleeding, burned,in shock, and had no weapons when he was located near the city of Sandy, Oregon a Sandy Police Officer and a Clackamas County Sheriff didn't want to get blood on them, and left a Police shotgun unsecured on top of a police vehicle. The Police tased Kaady twice and then the cops shot and killed Kaady with 7 bullets. The cops said, Kaady said I'm going to kill you, but many witnesses said they heard no threat from Kaady against anyone. Per the F.B.I. that is non-justifiable homicide as Kaady didn't attack anyone.

    I called the top police official in the training division of Oregon State Police and asked Lt.Fred, what must an officer do when he sees another officer repeatedly beating/kicking a restrained person? Lt. Fred said, the witnessing officer must assist in the arrest and report the incident. I said what good would that do if the victim is maimed for life or dies due to the police brutality? Not until I said I will form a citizens oversight board did Lt. Fred say, I will take two steps to make that change.

    Seven months later Lt. Fred's top superior, Superintendent Ruecker failed to reply to our letters and telephone calls to verify the changes we requested to amend their policy/procedures, add new training and work with our oversight board to require all officers and their supervisors to intervene when an officer is using excessive force as it is their duty too do so. We notified all Oregon State Legislators of this non-response from Supt. Ruecker so they pressured Ruecker's superior which forced Ruecker to send us their code of conduct and a cover letter admitting that Ruecker had setup no specific data that we requested of changes to protect all Oregonians from police brutality. On December 1, 2006 Supt. Ruecker resigned as he said for the betterment of members, his family and Oregonians. Lt. Fred also resigned in 2006 as he was pressured too do so. On March 12, 2007 Supt. Ruecker's replacement, Acting Supt. McLain said in answer to my question as we secured on video/audio tape at his senate hearing was, the person should file a complaint. If that was his family member getting beaten would that be his same answer?

    Sheriff Roberts of Clackamas County, their top cop failed to respond to our registered letter for 6 months asking the same question so we contacted all the Clackamas County Commissioners and they required Roberts to respond to us. A repeat of NO changes in their policy/procedures, training and they will not work with our oversight board to protect all Oregonians from police brutality.

    On July 4, 2006 we sent a registered letter to the Police Chief, Skelton of Sandy, Oregon again asking for the same documents; policy/procedure, training and reporting to our oversight board as stated above and without any surprise to us NO response from the the police chief.

    On Feb. 20, 2007 I asked Portland Police Chief Sizer at a public meeting,Chief's Forum the same question, what would you do if you saw one of your officers repeatedly beating/kicking a restrained person? Chief Sizer said, I answered that question, which I replied that is a false statement! We received another video/audio tape that proves our allegation that Chief failed to respond to our police brutality question. We sent a registered letter to Chief Sizer to give her another chance to answer our dire question and she failed again to respond as we received NO letter or telephone call on this matter from her.

    On June 18, 2007 Washington County Sheriff Rob Gordon replied to our, Open Letter To All Oregonians that he respects all the five top cops we named even though he doesn't know any of them, current policy/procedures are working just fine, training in place is extensive and well thought out, and police oversight boards are too political to do an effective job. Sheriff Gordon failed to address our three steps to reform law enforcement until we asked him direct questions and amazing as it may seem he was the first of all the top cops we have highlighted that states, his supervisors, deputies and himself would intervene if an officer is repeatedly beating/kicking a restrained person. Will Sheriff Gordon amend his Code of Conduct policy/procedures, add new training and work with our oversight board, not in this lifetime.....he talks the talk but refuses to walk the walk.

    Since the Nixon White house we have had a meltdown in personal integrity.

    All 6 top cops were made aware they are in violation of their sworn oaths of office, and many violations of Oregon State and United States Constitution Laws and that this data has been given to federal agencies as our very top state officials, the governor & the attorney General condone the 6 top cops wrong, illegal actions/inactions. The attorney general was pressured to author a new bill, Senate Bill 111, "Police Excessive Force" but refused to even consider our formal 3 amendments to the senate bill to protect all Oregonians as stated above to all the 6 top cops of Oregon.

    The amendments we are requesting to the Code of Conduct should read: 1. Law Enforcement supervisors and line officers are required to intervene when an officer uses excessive force as it is their duty. 2. When officers are repeatedly beating/kicking a restrained person supervisors and line officers must stop the excessive force and arrest the offending officers. 3. If a person is not attacking anyone the F.B.I. state that if lethal force is used against a person that is unjustifiable homicide. Without specific policy/procedures we will continue with police reports final determinations on excessive force use as, "No Department Police/Procedures violated."

    WE THE PEOPLE, are convinced that from the very top Oregon State Officials, Governor Kulongoski, Attorney General Myers, former and current O.S.P Superintendent's Ruecker & McLain, Sheriff Roberts Clackamas County, Portland Police Chief Sizer, Police Chief Skelton City of Sandy and Sheriff Gordon Washington County not only refuse to protect all Oregonians from Rogue Cops, they don't care about the people that were killed in unjustifiable homicides by out of control cops which stole about 130 years away from Rubio, Kaady & Chasse men & shattered their families and friends lives. In the last 10 months these 3 cases were filed in the federal courts of Oregon and are expected to exceed over $100 million which will drain the funds to operate effective law enforcement agencies.

    The contempt for law and the contempt for the human consequence of lawbreaking go from the bottom to the top of American society. Margaret Mead

    State Treasurer Mr. Edwards, will you please assist us to help stop the over

    150 years of "Police Code of Silence & Testilying?"

    What happens in Oregon goes Nationwide.

    Jerry Atlansky [email protected] 24/366

    Randall Edwards-State Treasurer Oregon State Salem, Oregon

    Dear Mr. Edwards,

    We thank you for responding to our letter to all Oregonians giving many facts that 6 top cops in Oregon refuse to protect the public from rogue cops when other officers are witnessing unjustifiable brutality and lethal force. If one of your staff members submitted a very well thought out plan to save the state $100 million a year would you tell them you don't have the authority to act on that project? We are not asking you to fire anyone, demote anyone nor force anyone to take action, what we are asking is if you care about the safety of all Oregonians and their tax money it is your duty to advise the superiors of all 6 top cops to honor their oaths of office as they are making over $600 thousand dollars a year and breaking the civil rights of our citizens.

    Please send us copies of your communications so we will be made aware progress is being made on this dire matter. Failure to do so and we will add your name and inaction to the hundreds of letters we are sending to all Oregonians each day.

    Best regards,

    Jerry Atlansky [email protected] 24/366

  • Harry Wilson (unverified)
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    Mr. Atlansky, My name is Harry Wilson and I am John Kroger's campaign manager. To date, neither John nor I have received a communication from you. However, John would be glad to talk to anyone. Feel free to e-mail me at [email protected] to set up a time.

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    I don't know anything about all this, but it sounds a little off...

    Governor Kulongoski will hire the next Attorney General with anyone that will NOT protect the public from out of control cops. With Attorney General Myer's resignation...

    <h1>1 - the Attorney General, Hardy Myers, isn't resigning.</h1> <h1>2 - Governor Kulongoski won't hire the next AG; rather the people of Oregon will elect someone.</h1>
  • Portland Dem (unverified)
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    Jerry,

    Is your real name Pavel?

    PD

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    Posted by: Jerry Atlansky | Oct 8, 2007 7:49:30 AM...

    Well there was a couple of minutes of my life I'll never get back.

  • jj (unverified)
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    Pavel Gooooooberman?

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    Lestatdelc, You're kidding, right? Did you actually read beyond the opening screed? (Hint to posters: pith gets more eyeballs for your position.)

    On other notes--wow! What a field of candidates! While we all may have our favorites, I think it's safe to say few Democrats could be genuinely disappointed to be served by any of these people. On the presidential race, my guess is the ones who don't win are going to be part of the cabinet--a win-win again. And at the state level--double wow again.

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    That Mac/Kroger vote is pretty stunning, IMO.

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    TJ,

    Why? Did you expect something radically different?

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    Posted by: lestatdelc | Oct 8, 2007 11:21:30 AM

    ROFLMAO - gawd, I love sarcasm served dry.

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    Google Jerry Atlansky to read more swell stuff he wrote, and replies like this

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    Kari, I hate your linkmaker. http://nwcu.blogspot.com/2007/06/open-letter-to-jerry-atlansky.html

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    Posted by: Glen HD28 | Oct 8, 2007 4:47:41 PM

    Jerry Atlansky, party of one... paging Jerry Atlansky party of one your room is ready.

  • carla (unverified)
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    Jerry Atlansky, party of one... paging Jerry Atlansky party of one your room is ready.

    ROFL

    Okay...Mitch Gore is on a roll today.

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    "Why? Did you expect something radically different?"

    Radically? I dunno, but I expected Macpherson to have a stronger showing.

    Not anything at all against those who attended and voted--I'm sorry I missed it, wanted to go--but drunk party regulars voting their preferences seems little more than a curiosity.

    Do we have some historical results for comparison?

  • LT (unverified)
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    TJ, you have a chance to be an example to all the partisans here at BO. I just read the KOS interview with Jeff Merkley and the comments, and you said "I like Jeff but Steve is better". Glad to know there are some adults involved in the primary--I was beginning to despair it was nothing more than angry debate about the Tester endorsement, DSCC, and all sorts of other inside baseball instead of about issues.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/29/172425/632

  • Inthewoods (unverified)
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    Clinton's campaign is taking advice from the former top aide to President Bill Clinton who admitted stealing classified documents and disposing them.

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    Inthewoods... he didn't "steal" the documents and "dispose of them". He took copies without authorization (not originals) so as to prep for sworn testimony before the 9/11 commission and destroyed said copies because they were classified. At no time were any documents lost from the archives. Lame judgment on his part to which he was held to account for (a misdemeanor for mishandling classified documents).

    But I guess you should get some credit for at least not trotting out the entirely fabricated bullshit that he stuffed them in his pants (or socks) which the freepi made out of whole cloth.

    Your point of bringing up this entirely OT subject?

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    Thanks, LT. I think part of the situation is that for most of us, we already HAVE looked over the issues, already do know a fair bit about the candidates, and so that part of the process is done for us. What we naturally focus on now are the intangibles, the differences in style or substance, and the way each conducts their campaign. We're inside baseball people here at BlueO, almost all of us. So is it any surprise?

    I DO like Mr. Merkley. I've said it before, I'll say it again--he's an honorable, kind, rational, progressive leader with a talent for bringing a team together. That said, I think his skills are best suited to working with "the good guys," and what we desperately need is someone to confront the bad guys, in my opinion.

    For those that don't know it, yesterday at Summit during Steve's presentation to the assembled, he brought up the concept that Mr. Merkley's vote on HJM 2 would make it difficult for him to deal with Gordon Smith in a general election, no matter how sincere about the vote he was at the time. You could have heard a pin drop, and someone actually hissed. I certainly don't want to go over the merits and demerits of that argument again, but I thought, "Man, if Steve Novick is not afraid to stand in a room full of friendlies and talk bluntly and specifically, how could I have any doubt about whether he'd take on the Republicans and slow-witted 'Democrats' like Joe Lieberman?"

    I want a fighter. I want someone who is as sick of the miasma in Congress as I am. I think the country is desperate for that kind of leadership. Mr. Merkley is a good guy, who would make a good Senator. But Steve Novick will tear the cover off the Capitol Dome--not by being some kind of red-faced asshole screaming in outrage, but by standing courageously on principle and exposing the raw underbelly of what we've created for ourselves in national politics, and working to fix it. Novick's successes don't typically have ORS numbers next to them--they have a body count. By God, that's what we need right now IMO.

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    Hear, hear.

    As he so often does, TJ expresses my thoughts better and more economically than I could have.

    LT, we don't know each other, but sometimes when I read your posts I feel as if I am taking a math test where the most important part of the instructions from you is "show your work."

    I recognize that if I want to convince YOU or anyone of my point of view, that is a collaborative process that takes into account the philosophical and cognitive needs of the person being convinced. And I might decide to try that. But in the interim, please don't disparage the depth or thoroughness of my own internal decisionmaking process just because I didn't bring you along every step of the way.

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    what we desperately need is someone to confront the bad guys

    Someone, maybe, like this guy?

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    Or, maybe, instead, we need the guy who led the way on all this.

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    You mean the guy who voted for this?

    That's somebody who DIDN'T fight back at a critical moment when things were really tough.

    Nobody disparages what happened in the legislature this past year. But I want to vote for someone who is willing to vote his convictions, not just give floor speeches about them.

  • East Bank Thom (unverified)
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    For the record, i think floor speeches are good... especially well delivered ones. I have a problem though with speaking one way and voting another (a la Bush's signing statements) or letting speaking take the place action, like when the Speaker showed up to talk about demonstrating against the war and then left before the demo. A month later he didn't even show up at the Peace rally.

    Maybe he had to get his campaign RV back to Washington?

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    Personally I am far less concerned with how someone voted on a non-binding statement of sentiment than I am with a former DOJ lawyer waiting to call for Impeachment until after others (non-lawyers) have taken the lead on the issue.

  • East Bank Thom (unverified)
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    Kevin, here's the problem... Merkley's has no official stance on impeachment, at least as far as i can tell from his campaign site. I've heard him asked about it twice in public (seems he'd prefer not to take a stand), and his answers presented sort of a moving target.

    Reluctantly, i've become a single-issue voter. Bush has promised to keep us in Iraq as long as he occupies the Whitehouse. I intend to hasten his departure. Candidate's who lack the courage to stand up to the abuses of the Bush administration will not get my vote.

    I very much appreciated Novick's call for Congress to hold Bush, Cheney (and Condoleezza Rice!) accountable for specific offenses. This goes much further than Merkley, who seems to have gotten permission from the DSCC to offer only general support for more investigations.

  • LT (unverified)
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    EBT, I think it would be fine to start impeachment hearings into Cheney if the committee chair thought there was room on the committee agenda---but if the duly elected chair thinks otherwise, that is fine with me.

    I don't think properly done impeachment is a few month process with no political downside. Republicans would turn into a herd mentality before they would allow President Pelosi.

    Those of you who support impeachment--have you heard from folks in rural counties or rural states that there is an impeachment groundswell where they live?

    Personally, I think there are risks with impeachment this close to the start of the caucus/primary season. I'd rather see a Democratic president elected with a strongly Dem. House and Senate than I would see Bush and Cheney leave office a few months early.

    I understand the anger behind the impeachment movement. But I am no fan of the DSCC and if Merkley isn't coming out for impeachment having served as a legislative presiding officer, that is fine with me. The "Merkley, who seems to have gotten permission from the DSCC " crack is more likely to turn me off to the whole process or consider backing Merkley if Novick supporters can only use one insult after another.

    Once I heard an interview with 2 former campaign managers. One talked about "the 8 issue matrix" and the other talked about how predictive a poll question is: rating candidates on a scale of "cares about people like me, understands my problems".

    Impeachment by itself will not bring universal health care, or an end to the Iraq war, or better treatment of veterans. For people who see those as major issues, snide remarks about why Merkley isn't gung ho for impeachment don't help Novick's chances.

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    snide remarks about why Merkley isn't gung ho for impeachment don't help Novick's chances

    Not with you, anyway. We get that. Thank you.

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    Posted by: East Bank Thom | Oct 9, 2007 2:02:30 PM Kevin, here's the problem... Merkley's has no official stance on impeachment, at least as far as i can tell from his campaign site. I've heard him asked about it twice in public (seems he'd prefer not to take a stand), and his answers presented sort of a moving target.

    At Drinking Liberally when Merkley was the guest speaker a month or so ago, Merkely stated that impeachment should never be off the table and that investigations should be undertaken to see if impeachment should be pursued and as a check and balance against the administration. It may not have registered with you but you where there that evening.

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    Merkely stated that impeachment should never be off the table and that investigations should be undertaken to see if impeachment should be pursued and as a check and balance against the administration. It may not have registered with you but you where there that evening.

    That's an opinion on investigations of impeachment, not necessarily impeachment hearings themselves. It's not clear whether he means starting the hearings based on specific allegations that would lead to impeachment charges if borne out, or continuing holding oversight committee hearings to bring out all the evidence in a vacuum. Any help, Merkleyites?

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    Investigations = hearings. Same thing. That's how it's done in our Congress.

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    Yes, but "investigations" are not "impeachment hearings," where evidence is heard specific to allegations made on the basis of drawing articles of indictment from them after their succesful presentation to the Grand Jury (ie, the House). Steve is saying we know there is strong evidence on potential crimes in the buildup to war, and there is strong evidence on potential crimes in the wiretapping of Americans. As the Fish appearance makes clear, he seeks to validate those allegations with a due process hearing on articles of impeachment in at least those two areas. Near as I can tell, Mr. Merkley's position is more of continuing to hold general oversight hearings and if we find anything REALLY bad, we'll talk then.

  • East Bank Thom (unverified)
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    It may not have registered with you but you where there that evening.

    Yes, Mitch. I was there. Were you? The question on holding Bush accountable distinguished between "investigations" to see if maybe Bush has crossed the line and "impeachment hearings" which Merkley declined to support.

    Novick's on the record here. Why not Mr. Merkley? The reference above to the DSCC isn't a crack, it's a suspicion. Merkley's verbiage mirrored that of Hooley and Blumenauer who made public statements placing impeachment back "on the table" the same day as Merkley's visit to Liberally Drinking. In the mean time, the DSCC's support for Merkley has been made public.

    Somewhere in between conspiracy and coincidence is the truth.

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