Al Gore's Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech

AlgoreosloDec. 10, 2007
OSLO, NORWAY

Your Majesties, Your Royal Highnesses, Honorable members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, Excellencies, Ladies and gentlemen.

I have a purpose here today. It is a purpose I have tried to serve for many years. I have prayed that God would show me a way to accomplish it.

Sometimes, without warning, the future knocks on our door with a precious and painful vision of what might be. One hundred and nineteen years ago, a wealthy inventor read his own obituary, mistakenly published years before his death. Wrongly believing the inventor had just died, a newspaper printed a harsh judgment of his life’s work, unfairly labeling him “The Merchant of Death” because of his invention — dynamite. Shaken by this condemnation, the inventor made a fateful choice to serve the cause of peace.

Seven years later, Alfred Nobel created this prize and the others that bear his name.

Seven years ago tomorrow, I read my own political obituary in a judgment that seemed to me harsh and mistaken — if not premature. But that unwelcome verdict also brought a precious if painful gift: an opportunity to search for fresh new ways to serve my purpose.

Unexpectedly, that quest has brought me here. Even though I fear my words cannot match this moment, I pray what I am feeling in my heart will be communicated clearly enough that those who hear me will say, “We must act.”

The distinguished scientists with whom it is the greatest honor of my life to share this award have laid before us a choice between two different futures — a choice that to my ears echoes the words of an ancient prophet: “Life or death, blessings or curses. Therefore, choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.”

We, the human species, are confronting a planetary emergency — a threat to the survival of our civilization that is gathering ominous and destructive potential even as we gather here. But there is hopeful news as well: we have the ability to solve this crisis and avoid the worst — though not all — of its consequences, if we act boldly, decisively and quickly.

However, despite a growing number of honorable exceptions, too many of the world’s leaders are still best described in the words Winston Churchill applied to those who ignored Adolf Hitler’s threat: “They go on in strange paradox, decided only to be undecided, resolved to be irresolute, adamant for drift, solid for fluidity, all powerful to be impotent.”

So today, we dumped another 70 million tons of global-warming pollution into the thin shell of atmosphere surrounding our planet, as if it were an open sewer. And tomorrow, we will dump a slightly larger amount, with the cumulative concentrations now trapping more and more heat from the sun.

As a result, the earth has a fever. And the fever is rising. The experts have told us it is not a passing affliction that will heal by itself. We asked for a second opinion. And a third. And a fourth. And the consistent conclusion, restated with increasing alarm, is that something basic is wrong.

We are what is wrong, and we must make it right.

Last September 21, as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.

Seven years from now.

In the last few months, it has been harder and harder to misinterpret the signs that our world is spinning out of kilter. Major cities in North and South America, Asia and Australia are nearly out of water due to massive droughts and melting glaciers. Desperate farmers are losing their livelihoods. Peoples in the frozen Arctic and on low-lying Pacific islands are planning evacuations of places they have long called home. Unprecedented wildfires have forced a half million people from their homes in one country and caused a national emergency that almost brought down the government in another. Climate refugees have migrated into areas already inhabited by people with different cultures, religions, and traditions, increasing the potential for conflict. Stronger storms in the Pacific and Atlantic have threatened whole cities. Millions have been displaced by massive flooding in South Asia, Mexico, and 18 countries in Africa. As temperature extremes have increased, tens of thousands have lost their lives. We are recklessly burning and clearing our forests and driving more and more species into extinction. The very web of life on which we depend is being ripped and frayed.

We never intended to cause all this destruction, just as Alfred Nobel never intended that dynamite be used for waging war. He had hoped his invention would promote human progress. We shared that same worthy goal when we began burning massive quantities of coal, then oil and methane.

Even in Nobel’s time, there were a few warnings of the likely consequences. One of the very first winners of the Prize in chemistry worried that, “We are evaporating our coal mines into the air.” After performing 10,000 equations by hand, Svante Arrhenius calculated that the earth’s average temperature would increase by many degrees if we doubled the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Seventy years later, my teacher, Roger Revelle, and his colleague, Dave Keeling, began to precisely document the increasing CO2 levels day by day.

But unlike most other forms of pollution, CO2 is invisible, tasteless, and odorless — which has helped keep the truth about what it is doing to our climate out of sight and out of mind. Moreover, the catastrophe now threatening us is unprecedented — and we often confuse the unprecedented with the improbable.

We also find it hard to imagine making the massive changes that are now necessary to solve the crisis. And when large truths are genuinely inconvenient, whole societies can, at least for a time, ignore them. Yet as George Orwell reminds us: “Sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield.”

In the years since this prize was first awarded, the entire relationship between humankind and the earth has been radically transformed. And still, we have remained largely oblivious to the impact of our cumulative actions.

Indeed, without realizing it, we have begun to wage war on the earth itself. Now, we and the earth’s climate are locked in a relationship familiar to war planners: “Mutually assured destruction.”

More than two decades ago, scientists calculated that nuclear war could throw so much debris and smoke into the air that it would block life-giving sunlight from our atmosphere, causing a “nuclear winter.” Their eloquent warnings here in Oslo helped galvanize the world’s resolve to halt the nuclear arms race.

Now science is warning us that if we do not quickly reduce the global warming pollution that is trapping so much of the heat our planet normally radiates back out of the atmosphere, we are in danger of creating a permanent “carbon summer.”

As the American poet Robert Frost wrote, “Some say the world will end in fire; some say in ice.” Either, he notes, “would suffice.”

But neither need be our fate. It is time to make peace with the planet.

We must quickly mobilize our civilization with the urgency and resolve that has previously been seen only when nations mobilized for war. These prior struggles for survival were won when leaders found words at the 11th hour that released a mighty surge of courage, hope and readiness to sacrifice for a protracted and mortal challenge.

These were not comforting and misleading assurances that the threat was not real or imminent; that it would affect others but not ourselves; that ordinary life might be lived even in the presence of extraordinary threat; that Providence could be trusted to do for us what we would not do for ourselves.

No, these were calls to come to the defense of the common future. They were calls upon the courage, generosity and strength of entire peoples, citizens of every class and condition who were ready to stand against the threat once asked to do so. Our enemies in those times calculated that free people would not rise to the challenge; they were, of course, catastrophically wrong.

Now comes the threat of climate crisis — a threat that is real, rising, imminent, and universal. Once again, it is the 11th hour. The penalties for ignoring this challenge are immense and growing, and at some near point would be unsustainable and unrecoverable. For now we still have the power to choose our fate, and the remaining question is only this: Have we the will to act vigorously and in time, or will we remain imprisoned by a dangerous illusion?

Mahatma Gandhi awakened the largest democracy on earth and forged a shared resolve with what he called “Satyagraha” — or “truth force.”

In every land, the truth — once known — has the power to set us free.

Truth also has the power to unite us and bridge the distance between “me” and “we,” creating the basis for common effort and shared responsibility.

There is an African proverb that says, “If you want to go quickly, go alone. If you want to go far, go together.” We need to go far, quickly.

We must abandon the conceit that individual, isolated, private actions are the answer. They can and do help. But they will not take us far enough without collective action. At the same time, we must ensure that in mobilizing globally, we do not invite the establishment of ideological conformity and a new lock-step “ism.”

That means adopting principles, values, laws, and treaties that release creativity and initiative at every level of society in multifold responses originating concurrently and spontaneously.

This new consciousness requires expanding the possibilities inherent in all humanity. The innovators who will devise a new way to harness the sun’s energy for pennies or invent an engine that’s carbon negative may live in Lagos or Mumbai or Montevideo. We must ensure that entrepreneurs and inventors everywhere on the globe have the chance to change the world.

When we unite for a moral purpose that is manifestly good and true, the spiritual energy unleashed can transform us. The generation that defeated fascism throughout the world in the 1940s found, in rising to meet their awesome challenge, that they had gained the moral authority and long-term vision to launch the Marshall Plan, the United Nations, and a new level of global cooperation and foresight that unified Europe and facilitated the emergence of democracy and prosperity in Germany, Japan, Italy and much of the world. One of their visionary leaders said, “It is time we steered by the stars and not by the lights of every passing ship.”

In the last year of that war, you gave the Peace Prize to a man from my hometown of 2000 people, Carthage, Tennessee. Cordell Hull was described by Franklin Roosevelt as the “Father of the United Nations.” He was an inspiration and hero to my own father, who followed Hull in the Congress and the U.S. Senate and in his commitment to world peace and global cooperation.

My parents spoke often of Hull, always in tones of reverence and admiration. Eight weeks ago, when you announced this prize, the deepest emotion I felt was when I saw the headline in my hometown paper that simply noted I had won the same prize that Cordell Hull had won. In that moment, I knew what my father and mother would have felt were they alive.

Just as Hull’s generation found moral authority in rising to solve the world crisis caused by fascism, so too can we find our greatest opportunity in rising to solve the climate crisis. In the Kanji characters used in both Chinese and Japanese, “crisis” is written with two symbols, the first meaning “danger,” the second “opportunity.” By facing and removing the danger of the climate crisis, we have the opportunity to gain the moral authority and vision to vastly increase our own capacity to solve other crises that have been too long ignored.

We must understand the connections between the climate crisis and the afflictions of poverty, hunger, HIV-Aids and other pandemics. As these problems are linked, so too must be their solutions. We must begin by making the common rescue of the global environment the central organizing principle of the world community.

Fifteen years ago, I made that case at the “Earth Summit” in Rio de Janeiro. Ten years ago, I presented it in Kyoto. This week, I will urge the delegates in Bali to adopt a bold mandate for a treaty that establishes a universal global cap on emissions and uses the market in emissions trading to efficiently allocate resources to the most effective opportunities for speedy reductions.

This treaty should be ratified and brought into effect everywhere in the world by the beginning of 2010 — two years sooner than presently contemplated. The pace of our response must be accelerated to match the accelerating pace of the crisis itself.

Heads of state should meet early next year to review what was accomplished in Bali and take personal responsibility for addressing this crisis. It is not unreasonable to ask, given the gravity of our circumstances, that these heads of state meet every three months until the treaty is completed.

We also need a moratorium on the construction of any new generating facility that burns coal without the capacity to safely trap and store carbon dioxide.

And most important of all, we need to put a price on carbon — with a CO2 tax that is then rebated back to the people, progressively, according to the laws of each nation, in ways that shift the burden of taxation from employment to pollution. This is by far the most effective and simplest way to accelerate solutions to this crisis.

The world needs an alliance — especially of those nations that weigh heaviest in the scales where earth is in the balance. I salute Europe and Japan for the steps they’ve taken in recent years to meet the challenge, and the new government in Australia, which has made solving the climate crisis its first priority.

But the outcome will be decisively influenced by two nations that are now failing to do enough: the United States and China. While India is also growing fast in importance, it should be absolutely clear that it is the two largest CO2 emitters — most of all, my own country —- that will need to make the boldest moves, or stand accountable before history for their failure to act.

Both countries should stop using the other’s behavior as an excuse for stalemate and instead develop an agenda for mutual survival in a shared global environment.

These are the last few years of decision, but they can be the first years of a bright and hopeful future if we do what we must. No one should believe a solution will be found without effort, without cost, without change. Let us acknowledge that if we wish to redeem squandered time and speak again with moral authority, then these are the hard truths:

The way ahead is difficult. The outer boundary of what we currently believe is feasible is still far short of what we actually must do. Moreover, between here and there, across the unknown, falls the shadow.

That is just another way of saying that we have to expand the boundaries of what is possible. In the words of the Spanish poet, Antonio Machado, “Pathwalker, there is no path. You must make the path as you walk.”

We are standing at the most fateful fork in that path. So I want to end as I began, with a vision of two futures — each a palpable possibility — and with a prayer that we will see with vivid clarity the necessity of choosing between those two futures, and the urgency of making the right choice now.

The great Norwegian playwright, Henrik Ibsen, wrote, “One of these days, the younger generation will come knocking at my door.”

The future is knocking at our door right now. Make no mistake, the next generation will ask us one of two questions. Either they will ask: “What were you thinking; why didn’t you act?”

Or they will ask instead: “How did you find the moral courage to rise and successfully resolve a crisis that so many said was impossible to solve?”

We have everything we need to get started, save perhaps political will, but political will is a renewable resource.

So let us renew it, and say together: “We have a purpose. We are many. For this purpose we will rise, and we will act.”

[Hat tip to Chuck Currie.] Discuss.

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    I've never understood the folks who say that Gore is uninteresting to listen to. Maybe he used to be, but not now.

    The cynic in me is counting to three to see how quickly people completely ignore, blow off, and bypass the substance of this speech because they have done the same to all that is Gore.

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    Inspiring, inspiring. And yet we build the Columbia Crossing, and reduce Trimet's fareless square hours. As 38% of Oregon's climate gases are transportation-related, we continue to follow the freight lobby into building even more highways, instead of allowing the roads we have to move smoothly through pricing.

    If only our political courage can catch up with the scientific reality Gore so eloquently puts forward.

  • Brian R. Chapman (unverified)
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    So to fix the climate crisis, why does Gore not want to become president of the biggest emitter of pollution in the world and reverse the crisis?

  • ws (unverified)
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    Gore is uninteresting to people aspiring to make millions from activities that Gore, along with many scientists, warn are significant contributors to global warming. As it becomes apparent to these people that continuation of those activities will destroy their ability to realize fortunes aspired to, Gore's thoughts may come to represent a compelling interest they hadn't noticed before.

    Maybe Gore can accomplish more to reverse human related global destruction if he keeps himself free of the crazy confines of the presidency.

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    So to fix the climate crisis, why does Gore not want to become president of the biggest emitter of pollution in the world and reverse the crisis?

    I understand why he doesn't want to run. If he ran for President, there's a plethora of other issues that he would have to deal with that are divisive and would compromise his ability to deal with global warming. Ultimately, climate change is far beyond just a political issue, and like it or not the President is often constrained by politics.

  • jim karlock (unverified)
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    scientists, warn are significant contributors to global warming. JK: Of course one of the big profiteers of global warming is Al Gore who has made millions in speaker fees. He got 100,000 pounds for a single speech in England alone: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=500586&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490

    He also runs a mutual fund with a bunch of wall street lizards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Investment_Management

    Then there is his huge profit potential in his recent joining of a venture capitol firm (the big money is in stock options, not his paycheck): The recovering politician is teaming with a legendary venture capitalist and bigtime moneyman to make over the $6 trillion global energy business. http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/11/news/newsmakers/gore_kleiner.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2007111210

    One more little detail: How is the global warming cure going to impact low income people as we make energy more expensive?

    Thanks JK

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    I have a sneaking suspicion that Jim Karlock could really give a rat's ass about low income people. Just a theory.

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    Who gives a shit if Al Gore is making some money? What's your point? If someone paid you $100,000 to give a speech, wouldn't you give the damn speech too?

  • MISTERpetroTEE (unverified)
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    How many thousands of gallons of jet fuel did Al Gore's plane burn on the trip to Oslo?

    He can drive Prius at 105 mph 24/7 for the next 1,000 years and STILL NOT OFFSET one jetload of fuel consumption and emissions.

  • Faolan (unverified)
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    Neo-conservative douchebags like Jim Karlock and MISTERpetroTEE make my brain explode with rage. The willfull ignorance is stunning.

    I particularly love MISTERpetroTEE's repetition of the typical neo-con anti-Gore meme that because Gore wants us to slow down global warming emissions that he should somehow run off into the wilds and live like a caveman to be able to hold true to his ideals.

    Yah man they would just love it if Al Gore would just go be a caveman and leave them the hell alone.

    I truly despair for the human race sometimes.

  • Scott Jorgensen (unverified)
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    I love hearing Al Gore talk about how the U.S. Government has done nothing about global warming....then I remember that he was vice president for a whole 8 years, and a U.S. Senator for decades. Then I remember that his father was a U.S. Senator before him, and I stop taking Al Gore seriously. Here's a guy who had every chance in the world to address this issue when he really could have made a difference, and he chose to do nothing. Which is not to mention that when he had the chance to become president, he A. mentioned nothing about global warming or the environment, despite those being his signature issues and the fact that he was running against G.W.B. and his heinous environmental record and B. Rolled over and let G.W.B. be appointed our president.

    What saddens me is I remember seeing footage of Gore from 1992 and being inspired, and wondering how that could be the same guy who ran for president in 2000. It's like he lost all of his passion in those few years in between, and he's suddenly found it again, seven years too late.

  • DanS (unverified)
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    Interesting to see you libs getting your panties in a bunch over Karlocks comments, yet not able to refute any of them.

    Jim's comments about the low income paying the burden for Liberal pagan policy is valid, whether you believe Glob warming is man made or not.

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    Dan,

    You might want to read some of the other threads where Karlock has commented.

    When is is confronted with evidence that doesn't fit his theory, he ignores it and changes the subject. When asked questions about his assertions, he refuses to answer and changes the subject.

    Karlock is trying to win. He has shown no ability to learn even one new fact.

    Yelling real loud or sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "librul librul librul" does not constitute debate or even conversation here on Blue Oregon.

    Maybe that's the component that you're missing in this "conversation".

  • Clem S (unverified)
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    It only takes about a minute of reading to stumble upon Gore's own admission that he failed to fully address the issue until after the 2000 election.

    I don't want him to run for President. Instead, I hope whomever is elected has the forethought to ask Gore to be a policy adviser on global warming. Gore would get what he wants - to focus solely on climate change; and he would advise the President how to act on it.

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    How many thousands of gallons of jet fuel did Al Gore's plane burn on the trip to Oslo?

    A lot, but Gore offsets all of his carbon emissions so that he's carbon neutral.

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    OK, let's stipulate - just for discussion purposes - that Al Gore is a raging hypocrite.

    Does that change whether global warming is happening?

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    The biggest contributor to Global Climate Change is the gas produced by the neocon gasbag trolls who can only repeat bullshit neocon gasbag party line crap. I wish to hell they would all walk into the ocean. With kind regards, Glen

  • Fair and Balanced (unverified)
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    Good point, Kari. If amassing great wealth could allow Al Gore to pursue his agenda even more effectively, I'm all for it. That's one dichotomy of capitalism (and feudalism, for that matter): concentrating some of the wealth in a few hands allow those hands to perform great evil or great good. Another dichotomy is that the tremendous economic engine unleashed by capitalism, having produced the great good of prosperity in the developed nations, has also produced the unintended consequences of global warming and the depletion of nonrenewable resources. A third dichotomy is that big government is the only way to counter the ability of the wealthy (corporations or individuals), but it can also run roughshod over individual liberties (rich or poor). These dualities are at the heart of the liberal/conservative divide, and it's why the conservatives are wrong at this particular moment in history. The consequence of allowing the private sector to continue its current course is the high likelihood of global catastrophe.

    The argument that low income people will suffer the most is specious. A carbon tax, like all taxes, could be implemented in a progressive fashion if the right people are in charge.

  • ws (unverified)
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    "How is the global warming cure going to impact low income people as we make energy more expensive?" Jim Karlock

    Worse is how everyone is going to be effected if wasteful usage of key energy resources such as petroleum products are not curtailed dramatically. Over the last 150 years or so, the U.S. has set the bar for wasteful, dirty use of energy resources in pursuit of global economic domination. Now here comes China, continuing that practice in its own shot for global economic dominance. This wasteful, destructive, mindless competition is the big thing that human civilization does that is so wrong. One way or another, a revolutionary change is coming in terms of the lifestyle people in the U.S. have grown accustomed to.

    "How many thousands of gallons of jet fuel did Al Gore's plane burn on the trip to Oslo?" MISTERpetroTEE

    Gore didn't fly on a regular commercial jet, or at least with a bunch of other people?

    I've got to agree with Scott Jorgensen, that it's discouraging that Gore didn't do more as VP to raise concerns over global warming, but realistically, lets face it, the job of VP of the U.S. is and has always been to be a 'yes man' to the President.

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    Posted by: MISTERpetroTEE | Dec 11, 2007 3:34:49 AM How many thousands of gallons of jet fuel did Al Gore's plane burn on the trip to Oslo?

    Are you suggesting that he should have gone overseas by boat or swam?

  • SecondLife (unverified)
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    Maybe not swam, but there are other, more enviro friendly ways of addressing the Bali confab.

    Who was the politician who addressed the Bali conference via Second Life?

    It is very true that just because Gore is (or isn't) a hypocrit doesn't cool the earth back down. (The message, not the messanger). But it would be nice if he was a bit more personally responsible as an enviro leader. (carbon credits don't impress me much).

  • Bob Tiernan (unverified)
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    Jim Karlock:

    How many thousands of gallons of jet fuel did Al Gore's plane burn on the trip to Oslo?

    Nick Wirth:

    A lot, but Gore offsets all of his carbon emissions so that he's carbon neutral

    Bob T:

    Does that include his ranch? By the way, whose ranch is more enviro-friendly (by far), Bush's or Gore's?

    Bob Tiernan

  • Bob Tiernan (unverified)
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    Jim Karlock:

    How many thousands of gallons of jet fuel did Al Gore's plane burn on the trip to Oslo?

    Lestatdelc:

    Are you suggesting that he should have gone overseas by boat or swam?

    Bob T:

    Why did he need to be there at all, considering modern technology of making appearances w/o being there?

    Bob Tiernan

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    Stephanie V:

    I have a sneaking suspicion that Jim Karlock could really give a rat's ass about low income people. Just a theory.

    Bob T:

    Hmmmm, so because you think he doesn't care, then you don't, either?

    Bob Tiernan

  • Jon (unverified)
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    Gore offsets all of his carbon emissions so that he's carbon neutral.

    Typical rich, liberal, hypocrites- "Everyone needs to change their ways, except ME. I will buy my way out."

  • Jon (unverified)
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    OK, let's stipulate - just for discussion purposes - that Al Gore is a raging hypocrite.

    Does that change whether global warming is happening?

    Nope, it is happening. No question. What is at question is whether its a real cycle, or humans caused it, and if we actually can do anything about it.

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    I rest my case.

    I don't CARE who the messenger is. I don't CARE if humans are causing the majority of this (although I do agree we are).

    What I CARE about is that we have the means and the opportunity to DO something about it. Sitting around trying to figure out who is to blame only keeps us from actually taking on the responsibility of actually DOING something about it. The big picture gets lost in all of this petty crap. In the end, what will it matter who or what is to blame, if we aren't here anymore to feel vindicated in being right about who/what we blame?

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    Oh, boy. Another piece of amazing eloquence (Gore's speech) brought down into a Karlock-Tiernan hell hole of meaningless spat.

    The argument, to wit, tries to focus on the actions of ONE of the six-plus BILLION people on the planet instead of our collective challenge. That sort of misdirection and willingness to engage in that discussion contributes to our inability to get real progress done.

    But we should all note that the world's poorest are those most screwed by catastrophic climate change, so have the most to gain by us acting.

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    Posted by: SecondLife | Dec 11, 2007 11:50:19 AM Maybe not swam, but there are other, more enviro friendly ways of addressing the Bali confab.

    He was in Oslo accepting the actual Nobel Prize. Kinda hard to phycially get an object handed to you via SecondLife.

  • Second Life (unverified)
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    "Maybe not swam, but there are other, more enviro friendly ways of addressing the Bali confab.

    <h2>Who was the politician who addressed the Bali conference via Second Life?"</h2>

    You are right about the Oslo trip (which was the 'swam' reference). Kinda need to accept that type of award in person, given the nature of the Nobel prize. And no, swimming is not realistic, even for a buff man such as Gore.

    What I was referring to about Second Life was the guy who gave his presentation in Bali (you know, where 10,000 people go to Bali to attend a Global Warming conference) without actually flying there, but did it via a virtual presentation. A nice way to demonstrate your Global Warming credentials by walking your talk.

  • josh (unverified)
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    I don't remember, was Noah's Ark propelled by petroleum that contributed to climate change? Oh, that's right climate change just began during the industrial revolution. Forgive me.

  • Tom Civiletti (unverified)
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    josh,

    Your apparent ignorance would be excusable in a seven year old.

  • NoxiousTee (unverified)
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    So it's ok for Gore to take a commercial airline THIS TIME...But he's taking the corporate jets for the REST OF HIS LIFE and the greenies say peace out?

    Either you're suggesting:

    A). He gets a pass...he's the Global Warming Goru

    or

    B). The Goru is buying "rich-man" carbon offsets, so his jet fuel emits pretend Co2...

    He's a flaming hypocrite and a centimillionaire to boot. Time to admit the obvious and move on dot capitalist.

  • Tom Civiletti (unverified)
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    C) It is difficult to compete - and Al Gore is competing in the market of ideas - while not exploiting available resources to the degree your opponents do.

    That is why government regulation and outcome-based economic incentives are necessary to make a timely transition away from the energy addiction that plagues us.

    Try coming up with a bit more sophisticated objections. You sound goofy.

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    Wow, the foaming at the mouth Fright-Wingers™ certainly are threatened by the truth and therefore try and gin up attacking the messenger (i.e. Gore) and seem to come out of the woodwork to display their collective dementia it seems (witness Karlock, Tiernan, and the aptly named Noxious Tee)

  • tl (unverified)
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    One metric I use to gauge a person's motivations and commitment to open and respectful dialog is the percentage of time they spend: a. attacking the person or messenger versus ideas and policies b. providing real and practical alternatives to whatever they are opposed to c. providing facts and examples to back up her/his premises d. admitting if they were wrong, misspoke, and/or just hit "post" a little too quickly

    I really appreciate people with whom I disagree who are willing to share their thoughts, listen to mine, and debate the merits.

  • Bob Tiernan (unverified)
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    Tom Civiletti:

    Your apparent ignorance would be excusable in a seven year old.

    Bob Tiernan:

    But he brings up a good point. Ice once covered most of North America and western Europe, and then it receded all the way up to where it is now, all without a single combustion engine fired up and without a single smokestack at work. Gee, how'd that happen?

    Bob Tiernan

  • Bob Tiernan (unverified)
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    Pat Ryan:

    You might want to read some of the other threads where Karlock has commented.

    When is is confronted with evidence that doesn't fit his theory, he ignores it and changes the subject. When asked questions about his assertions, he refuses to answer and changes the subject.

    Bob T:

    Okay then, where is the evidence that shows that the poor won't have their cost of living increased?

    After that is shown, and detailed, can you say that Karlock is "up to his old tricks".

    Bob Tiernan

  • Bob Tiernan (unverified)
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    lestatdelc:

    Wow, the foaming at the mouth Fright-Wingers™ certainly are threatened by the truth and therefore try and gin up attacking the messenger (i.e. Gore) and seem to come out of the woodwork to display their collective dementia it seems (witness Karlock, Tiernan, and the aptly named Noxious Tee)

    Bob T:

    I speak for myself, and no one else. So, tell me why you think I'm a rightwinger. Is it because I'm for the legalization of all drugs, and prostitution?

    You really like to label people as one thing or THE other. That's the sign of a lack of brain cells. The world isn't that simple, lestatdelc. Besides, since when did you start questioning those who question people like Al Gore? Are we supposed to accept what he says because he's Al Gore?

    Bob Tiernan

  • BaileyWick (unverified)
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    Note that there were 300+ other people on the same flight; thus the CO2 generated by the burning of "thousands of gallons of jet fuel" is divided. then shared by each of them.

    Jetfuel does not work in a Prius.

    The ocean absorbs CO2.

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    Me:

    You might want to read some of the other threads where Karlock has commented.

    When is is confronted with evidence that doesn't fit his theory, he ignores it and changes the subject. When asked questions about his assertions, he refuses to answer and changes the subject.

    Bob T:

    Okay then, where is the evidence that shows that the poor won't have their cost of living increased?

    OK Bob, two answers.

    1) I specifically challenged one point that JK has made multiple times that recent years cannot be shown to have been consistently warmer. I showed, (with links) that he was arguing dishonestly when the conversation is about Global Warming and he is using statistics from parts of the US rather than, you know, the entire damned Globe.

    He never acknowledged the response, nor did he change his allegation which is now proven to be false. You can't have a logical discussion around a set of lies.

    2)Logic 101 shows that you can never prove a negative. This is a common tactic used regularly by your crew. It's not up to me to prove that something will not occur in the future.

    It's up to the guy that sez that the poor will suffer to offer his best evidence that such an outcome will occur. After all, he brought it up and he's making the assetion.

    Why should I have to answer any random thing that somebody types on their little keyboard?

  • Jake (unverified)
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    Who cares about global warming? Manbearpig. Manbearpig is the only animal that cares about global warming and while Al Gore is super serial about this global warming thing to save the animals, they will all die out and humans will live on and eventually the world will correct itself. Humans will live, let the animals die, new ones will pop up or adapt in some way. Hopefully the entire world will be destroyed or at least most of the human race but that is too much to hope for I guess. There is nothing you can possibly call me to change my opinion about this matter so don't waste your time. THANKS!

  • Geo & Fran Harbin (unverified)
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    We're grateful for Al Gore's leadership in getting the U.S. behind efforts to reduce global warming, too long ignored by our industry, our federal governmnent, and most state governments. We were ecstatic to learn that he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and though he has not had a repuutation as a speaker, found his acceptance speech electrifying.

  • Tom Civiletti (unverified)
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    Bob Tiernan wrote:

    "But he brings up a good point."

    No, Bob, he [josh] does not bring up a good point. He dismisses science with myth. That is never a valid argument. Josh might as well argue that the universe was created in seven days because the Bible says so.

    Furthermore, if Noah's Great Flood were factually established, it would still not be a good point. No scientist who joins the overwhelming consensus on human caused global warming would claim that the earth's climate has not changed before or that there are no forces besides the burning of fossil fuel that can cause extreme climate change. The present consensus claims that recent and expected future change is human caused. Pointing out that there have been ice ages and times of much warmer global climate in the distant past IN NO WAY challenges the present understanding of human caused global warming. Anyone arguing from such a position does little but display ignorance and confuse the uninformed.

  • Tom Civiletti (unverified)
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    Jake,

    Two things:

    • Don't overestimate your importance. There will always be petty minded trogs such as yourself who have no interest beyond immediate gratification of their desires. Fortunately, change does not require that everyone be on board.

    • Manbearpig is a formidable beast. Don't take him light, or he may rip your torso in half.

  • Jake (unverified)
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    • Don't overestimate your importance. There will always be petty minded trogs such as yourself who have no interest beyond immediate gratification of their desires. Fortunately, change does not require that everyone be on board.

    This is not true. An immediate gratification in my opinion would be death and I have not killed myself. How can you explain that? Also I consider you and myself animals, and we all know animals aren't exactly important. Someone who seeks immediate gratification of their desires wins on the food chain pal, I'm not sure what type of world you live in or how things are ran in Oregon but in this world I will win and you will lose because you cry when cute little penguins die or habitats are destroyed. (oh wait they have euthanasia +1 points for Oregon[Euthanasia should be legal nationwide IMO]) How can a problem like global warming be solved? By building personal wealth and stock options and tricking others into thinking you give a shit about it. Thanks Gore!...actually since he is making so much money off of it he has probably brain-washed himself into giving a poop, which coincidentally gives him a boner at the same time because he masturbates in his own feces.

  • Tom Civiletti (unverified)
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    CUM GRANO SALIS

  • Jake (unverified)
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    Unfortunately life is serious business and it's upsetting when people are taken advantage of and too ignorant to realize it.

  • Tom Civiletti (unverified)
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    <h2>I could not agree with you more, Jake.</h2>
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