Quick Hits and Deep Thoughts: 0% Senate edition

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What? There are important elections coming up that don't involve the U.S. Senate? You don't say...

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    Maybe Boone's forgiven him, but can you be sure that anyone else Westlund might have leched onto has done the same? Are you sure he didn't inappropriately stick his hand up the skirt of anyone else?

    Didn't Bob Packwood lose a Senate seat for this kind of crap?

  • Matt (unverified)
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    I am so sick and tired of these smear tactics.

    The worst part is making public about something that was resolved privately.

    Shame on Allan Alley and shame on Mr. Plant for his baseless and purely political accusations.

  • Walpurgis (unverified)
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    Well, absent the obvious inappropriateness, Westlund and Boone seem to have resolved this like adults and have been very mature about the whole thing.

    Ben Westlund didn't exert political pressure or have someone threatened to try and cover anything up.

    Politicians, like people, sometimes make mistakes. What I object to (and what sunk Packwood) is when they use the power of their office to lie, cheat, or threaten people to save their skin.

    The only continued wrongdoing here is someone's insistence on violating Boone's privacy to dredge up an decade-old story.

  • John (unverified)
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    Come on Floyd!

    You are really backing away from a measure that will save people's lives just because of a few people on their computers?

    I'm a biker and I'm always offend by people not wearing their helmets for two big reasons: A.) Helmets protect from serious injury and help drive down health care costs B.) When adults wear helmets it makes it much more likely that children around them will, too.

    It is important legislation and should be push forward regardless of what the "Living in Mom's Basement" crowd says.

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    Mr. Plant for his baseless and purely political accusations.

    It's not exactly "baseless" when there's a contemporaneous letter from Boone complaining about Westlund's behavior. That's what you call a "base."

    Boone's issues with Westlund may have been resolved privately, but can you be sure that Westlund -- who was nearly 50 years old at the time -- wasn't doing the same thing to others? He wasn't exactly forthright about it when this turned up in 2006. Back then he just said it was "inappropriate hugs."

    It's too bad the online version of the story is missing detail that the print version has:

    The first incident occurred when Westlund touched her hip. "When I responded with a shocked response, he told me to remember that the term 'harass' has two words while looking at me with a challenging stare," she wrote.

    Sounds like a real winner.

  • Jack Sullivan (unverified)
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    Didn't Bob Packwood lose a Senate seat for this kind of crap?

    No. He was surviving the scandal just fine - until it was revealed that he visited the home of a teenage intern and tried to force himself on her, at the doorstep.

    That, combined with Bob Dole's presidential campaign, is what finally did him in.

  • Bill R. (unverified)
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    Unless Ben W. was a serial abuser, this will be a non-story.

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    That, combined with Bob Dole's presidential campaign, is what finally did him in.

    Dole's presidential campaign? Packwood resigned months before the first primaries of the 1996 campaign. Dole announced in April 1995, Packwood announced his resignation in early September of the same year, after the Senate Ethics committee had recommended his expulsion. I think you can pin Packwood's downfall on himself.

    I really don't remember the intern incident you mention, either (at least not with Packwood).

    Voters in Oregon were stunned-especially when they learned that The Oregonian knew about the Post's inquiries (one episode of harassment involved Packwood kissing an Oregonian reporter) but ignored the story and then endorsed Packwood for re-election. Packwood's sleazeball behavior dated back at least to the beginning of his Senate career, and didn't always involve thrusting body parts.
  • JTT (unverified)
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    I am frankly amazed at the speed that the campaigns this season have progressed...we've gone from silly season to disgusting smears in lightning speed, and that's usually only in the last month of the cycle. For the love, we've only just hit August! Though, I guess if the Republicans had to campaign on actual issues...they know that they’d lose big time.

    First, this happened over ten years ago.

    Second, this was raised by some political operative with a campaign motive...i.e. if Boone was concerned about Westlund now do you think she would have endorsed him? Of course not, but the fact the two resolved the issue privately YEARS ago isn't relevant to a smear.

    Third, SHAME on whoever it was who released this PRIVATE matter to the media...Women (and men) who are the victims of harassment should have the utmost protection of their privacy and (as the righties over @ OR Catalyst said) "the right to self-direction...[in order to reach a] resolution that meets their personal values". So once again a woman gets run over...all so someone could try to win a political campaign. If I were Boone, I'd be after the leaker's balls.

    Fourth, Westlund owned up to his behavior and apologized. I appreciate the candor...too many people/politicians lie, refuse to admit guilt, or "fake"-apologize. Thank God we're learning creatures...otherwise we'd never have progressed. Unfortunately, part of learning is making some mistakes...oh how I wish it wasn't so. However, the sign of maturity is not never making a mistake...it’s apologizing (and forgiving) when stupid mistakes occur.

    I would feel differently if Boone didn't think that things were resolved, or if Westlund hadn't admitted fault and apologized, or if this wasn't fed to the (willing) press (that just eats up scandal) by an operative with a campaign agenda.

    My 2 cents.

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    Baseless charge?

    You mean accusing the Allen Alley campaign of leaking it? Got proof of that?

    This letter has been sitting around the capital for a decade. Do you really think things like this can stay secret all the time?

    I'm thinking it was some low level worker at the capital who happened to stumble on it. At least there is as much evidence of that as there is that Allen Alley's campaign did it.

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    Matt,

    I couldn't find a reference in the on-line article that Alley had anything to do with this article. Is that in the print version or do you just assume that he did it? Keep in mind that Ben has produced lots of enemies in the Republican party by switching sides and it could be anyone.

    I am interested in the fact that the Oregonian sat on both the Packwood story and the Mike Ericson story, but finally jumped on this one, which was the least offensive situation of the three.

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    I am interested in the fact that the Oregonian sat on both the Packwood story and the Mike Ericson story,

    Don't forget how they handled the Goldschmidt child sex story. Or the story in 2004 about Gordon Smith calling John Kerry a French-looking socialist.

    The Goldschmidt story was arguably far more offensive than any of the others, but the Oregonian -- despite having leads on it for years, although not as blatant as in the Packwood case -- never followed it up it until Willamette Week was about to go to press.

    The print edition article on Westlund doesn't mention how the AP got the letter or Alley at all, it just says that the letter was written to the House chief clerk's office. This wasn't entirely a private matter between Boone and Westlund.

    I think you can take note that this story is credited to the AP rather than the Oregonian. It doesn't mention the Oregonian getting a copy of the letter. For all we know, they may have had it for a while and sat on it before whoever sent it to them kicked it up to the wire services.

  • LT (unverified)
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    "this happened over ten years ago"

    Anyone who has followed Westlund's career knows he has grown over the time he has been in office, but when first elected was somewhat of a smartaleck. I should know--he once defeated a friend of mine in an election. I have seen the difference between the early years and the more recent, more serious years. We need more people who have grown while in public life.

    I agree with John C. and JTT.

    I believe a big part of the story is how this became public. Was it someone feeding it to the media on a slow news day? Could it be that the vague statements of the Alley campaign like "elect someone with business background, not a legislator" weren't working? Whether or not the campaign was directly involved in this leak, it does seem suspicious.

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    Whether or not the campaign was directly involved in this leak, it does seem suspicious.

    Was Alley running against Westlund in 2006 when the rumor first surfaced? Whoever wrote the follow-up article about it here (linked in Kari's post) said then:

    If you see an unsupported claim made here, challenge it. Demand facts, demand proof, demand sources, and demand details.

    Well, now the details have finally come out.

    Of course it's someone who opposes Westlund who's pushing this. His friends aren't going to be making the case that a guy in his late forties didn't know any better than to grope his hand up womens' skirts. For all we know it was someone supporting Kulongoski's campaign that floated the rumor two years ago.

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    1) It happened a long time ago.

    2) The offending individual is sorry for the behavior.

    3) The offended individual has a good relationship with the offender and all is quite well between them.

    4) The issue should have been hidden from view and as a pesonal matter only between the two individuals.

    5) The two individuals seem to have a great relationship with each other and in fact love each other.

    Ooops.... sorry for that 5th one, I thought we were talking about Matt Wingard.

    The only difference is that there is a history of bad decisions with Westlund and he did it again and again.

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  • JTT (unverified)
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    Hey Piccolo, get a life and go back to your own site...this is the progressive water cooler. Freakin' moonbat.

  • Jack Sullivan (unverified)
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    Packwood resigned months before the first primaries of the 1996 campaign. Dole announced in April 1995, Packwood announced his resignation in early September of the same year, after the Senate Ethics committee had recommended his expulsion. I think you can pin Packwood's downfall on himself.

    Yes, you've got the timing down exactly right. And yes, it was well-known at the time that the GOP Senate Majority Leader didn't want the Packwood thing hanging around his neck as he was preparing for a presidential campaign.

    Think back a year ago, the primaries were in full swing. Same for 1995.

    The Ethics Committee - always split evenly D/R - had been deadlocked. Then the intern came forward:

    As the Ethics Committee was deliberating Packwood's fate this August, a woman came forward who had been a 17-year-old intern when she was grabbed and kissed by the senator.

    Dole released the Republicans, and they voted to expel him from the Senate. And Packwood resigned.

    And yes, we can pin Packwood's downfall on his behavior.

    But it took Bob Dole to force him to resign. Otherwise, he would have likely been able to hang on. Keep in mind: the charges first surfaced in December 1992. He didn't resign until nearly three years later.

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    "A.) Helmets ...help drive down health care costs"

    So, I can buy a pack of cigarettes and smoke them while I'm riding my bike and eating a keilbasa and a maple bar, as long as I'm wearing a helmet.

    The No. 1 killer in America is heart disease. Until the government starts mandating a healthy diet, these "drive down health care costs" arguments for relatively minor factors like bicycle head injuries are just red herrings. neither cyclist in Portland's two high profile deaths woul;d have been saved by a helmet.

    "B.) When adults wear helmets it makes it much more likely that children around them will, too."

    I don't remember getting a check in the mail for being your little heathen's role model.

    I'm a biker and I'm always offend by people not wearing their helmets

    Minding other people's business seems to be high tone, well I've got all that I can do just a mindin' my own.

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    JTT, Oh how mature. LOL.

    Did that comment cut a little too close to home?

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    Ahh, The Worm Turns.

    Mandatory helmelt laws for bicyclists.

    This is how they destroy personal choice, one interest group at a time.

    I remember when old Floyd and his maternalistic buddies like Courtney, McPherson, my old pal Dr. Greenlick and so on, were after us, and I talked to some bicyclists, quad riders, snowmobile guys, downhill skiers and bicyclists.

    <h2>No one could see the use of making common cause then, and they won't now. The safetycrats never ever quit in their fact free quest to protect us from ourselves. So enjoy, bicyclists. The guiding hand up the back of your yellow lycra jersey is in your best interests. You can't say that you didn't see it coming.</h2>

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