She used to try a lot harder to suppress the accent I guess. That winking syndrome must be age related as well.

Both campaigns have the better candidate at the bottom of their tickets.

Ok... now it's time to start looking away from the VPs and back at the Candidates. That was entertaining, and here's hope the media will stop running Palin stuff so that Blue Oregon can likewise begin discussions again of the men who are seeking the Office. I am interested in hearing more on the irritated request on the part of Wall Street Debacle decision makers that McCain PLEASE get the hell out of the room and let them stay focused. Did I imagine things, or did I not hear a report whizz by in which it was stated that he was seen as grandstanding and needed to get the heck out of the room so serious people could keep working?

Kremer said:

/"Where was Barack Obama 20 years ago? Was that when he was a community organizer for an ACORN affiliate?"/

This is what he was doing: "1985-1988 Director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland on Chicago's South Side. While director grew the DCP staff from 1 to 13 and their budget from $70,000 to $400,000."

Gee -- out helping folks make better lives for themselves and their children. Well, what do you know? Of course, this is just the sort of thing wing nuts would ridicule. It's a hell of a lot more important than reading sport scores off a TelePrompTer, don't you think? Oh, and then it was off to Harvard Law.

Do you really want to compare Barack's resume with that of Bible Spice?

I didn't think so.

Thanks for playing; we have some lovely parting gifts for you.

20 years ago, another veteran Democratic Senator was debating another lightweight, ideological, 2-dimensional Republican, who went on to earn his place in history as the archetype of the unqualified VP.

Then, as now, thoughtful, principled governance was contrasted with ignorant, bigoted class warfare. And the 4th estate bent over backwards to make it seem as if the two were equally valid.

That a stupid photo op could disqualify someone to be President, but murderous policies and a stupid Vice Presidential nominee could not.

Watching that debate was my first date with my sweetie, now my beloved wife of 18 years this Monday. I met her mom, and her cat, and both approved. We hooted, howled, groaned and laughed. We hoped America would see the BS for what it was, but knew it might not. Then we gritted our teeth and did the best we could when it didn't.

I'm not sure that much of what we recognize about America will survive another 20 years of the politics that we've had the last 20. Our kids will be 31 and 25, pretty close to how old we were then.

Knowing all the horrific things that happened because we lost 20 years ago makes it that much clearer what the stakes are today.

Is it me or does she look cross-eyed?

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It's no "Bedtime for Bonzo" but I'm sure the Republicans will lap this Palin tape up. How are they going to see through Sarah when they thought George W. Bush was our Winston Churchill? One thing Barack Obama was doing 20 years ago was carrying around a tremendous brain. After years of W and the possibility of another moron in Sarah Palin, I'd like to give smarts a try.

 Barack is smarter than McCain, W, and Palin put  together. Plus you don't get the temper, the meanness, and a whole hairdo full of dumb.

In 1988, wasn't Biden also dropping out of the presidential primary because he plagarized from a British politician?

I don't know. I know John McCain was busy helping Charles Keating in those years. I think the Keating 5 scandal broke in 1989. It was the result of deregulation - thank God we're past those kinds of problems - of the savings and loan industry, and McCain used his office to help Charles Keating. Keating ended up doing 5 years in prison. McCain - who had received all kinds of personal gifts from Keating - was not charged.

   I think the Washington term was that McCain had shown "poor judgement."

 And let me save any GOP types out there time by giving the standard response: "Listen, when John McCain was a POW in Vietnam he wasn't able to attend any classes in government ethics, so there!"

24 years ago, but have you seen her in the Miss Alaska swimsuit competition? . Bible Spice indeed. Actually "bible spice" would be canneh-bam; Palin's just a dope.

See, another correlation demonstrated. The comments about the news talking heads, about "personality centered journalism" as Fox calls it...you can't leave those bottom feeders to carve out their own niche or they will come back in critical areas and devour yer butt!

Really Jenni? I think you better have a conversation with Jack Schafer then because he's actually looked into this issue at length and he vehemently disagrees with you.

Comments like this are just ridiculous.

I remember not going to the Texas Dem convention that year, because I was pissed about it. I'd love to be proven wrong as I think Biden is the most intelligent brain in the Congress- not that that means good leadership as Carter demonstrated, and I don't say "Washington" because there are a lot of bros in da hood that can think- but I don't have any data.

Please, supply a rebuttal to the point. I would dearly love to see it. To us Libertarian types it's too easy too right off cynically.

I'm a little bothered when the credentials of a candidate that says that it is "God's will that there be a gas pipeline across Alaska", and that "Polar Bears should not be a protected species... in part, because such protections would inhibit the exploration and production of oil and gas in Alaska", and SUES the Fed to establish that opinion against the Interior Dept., Fish and Wildlife, you name it... Oh, yeah, and using climate skeptics in her data.

I can understand the logic that says that if someone isn't qualified the discussion doesn't progress, but since Fox et al. have decided to pick up and run with the Disney candidate, it don't matter! What she is doing is all that matters, and from where I sit, it is plenty!