Could low turnout doom Kulongoski?

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It appears that voter turnout might hit a record low this year. According to KGW, last night:

Washington County is reporting just over 21 percent; Clackamas follows at 18 percent and Multnomah County, where two Portland city commissioners Erik Sten and Dan Saltzman and county commissioner Diane Linn are up for re-election, stands at 16.91 percent. All county numbers were down a handful of percentage from the last vote-by-mail primary. “You know that’s not… that’s not very good,” said John Kauffman, Multnomah County Director of Elections.

When voter turnout is low, the voters that do turn out often tend to be the most passionate, the most committed, the most liberal Democrats (or conservative Republicans). That could damage Governor Kulongoski's chances -- as the most liberal and motivated Democrats turn out to vote against him.

Alternately, another analysis suggests that low turnout might help Governor Ted Kulongoski. From KGW:

"Traditionally...if you are an incumbent then you like to have a low voter turnout because its more likely that your name familiarity is going to carry you," said political analyst Len Bergstein.

What do you think?

  • Kevin (unverified)
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    Looks like the Beaverton School District's funding measure is going to crash and burn without the double majority needed. That's too bad. I heard on OPB radio today that they're getting 700 new students each year. At that rate they'd need to be building a new school every other year or less just to keep up.

    Any idea how many other school funding measures are going to lose because of the turnout?

  • Kevin (unverified)
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    Oh... my money is on Kulingoski to win for the reasons cited by Bergstein.

  • CLP (unverified)
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    Compared to many other places, it is so easy to vote in Oregon. You can do it day over the course of a few weeks. If you do it sufficiently early, you can even drop it in the mail. Even if you wait until tonight or tomorrow, you can still use drop sites; I could see these being inconvienent in rural areas, but most Portland-area residents have no such excuse. I don't understand how people could be so lazy.

  • CLP (unverified)
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    That should say "any day over the course of a few weeks".

  • NNW (unverified)
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    The larger question, in a time a great political uncertainty, is why is Oregon's voter turnout this low to begin with?

    Due to the lower turnout we are going to see more than the Governor's race be a surprise...

    We are a severed country, yet, we continue to have apathy. That's a real big problem, especially since the right, while battered, and beaten of late, continue to get away with murder. Each day, it gets worse.

    I think the turnout is a wake up call that we have to be more active on the ground, all the time, in neighborhoods, and regions that have and haven't been traditional targets for campaigns. All bets are off.

  • Eric Berg (unverified)
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    This has nothing to do with the 2006 Oregon primary, but 20 years ago this month, a relatively young, unknown, right-wing, ultra-conservative pastor from suburban Clackamas County named Joe Lutz got 40 percent of the vote against US Sen. Bob Packwood in the Republican primary.

    I always think of that 1986 race when the subject of 'most conservative Republicans' and 'most liberal Democrats" comes up when talking about primaries.

    Completely off the subject (sorry Kari):

    That election is memorable because it was the first election in which I was old enough to vote. My polling place was the central branch of the Multnomah County library in downtown Portland. I remember voting for:

    Neil Goldschmidt for governor. Rick Bauman for US senator. Vera Katz for state representative. Margaret Straun for Portland city commissioner.

    Multnomah County commissioner Gordon Shadburne, who was runing for re-eIection, was linked just days earlier in the press to some sort of sex orgy. I don't remember the specifics, who his opponents were or for whom I voted. I may have voted for Shadburne. I had the hormones of an 18 year-old, after all. Anyone who could get some (and more) couldn't be all that that bad, I must have thought.

    I also remember the top 'NYT' story in the box in front of the library that day being the Oregon Episcopal School/Mt. Hood climbing tragedy

    I'm offically old.

  • Chuck Butcher (unverified)
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    I had some ideas about the 2nd CD race, but the low turnout probably makes mincemeat of them. I wouldn't even hazzard a guess. Chuck

  • LT (unverified)
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    Good luck, Chuck.

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    OK, folks, back on topic. There's now an election day open thread.

    As to this one, seriously - what do you think? If opposition to the Governor is coming from the left, and voter turnout is record low, is it possible that he could lose?

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    I still think Ted will win, but Len Bergstein's argument is backward. A low turnout generally means the politically committed are voting, and they are less affected by simple name ID. Unless the high turnout is generated by a specific candidate bringing out people who are typically nonvoters, more casual voters participate in a high turnout election and they are generally the ones who are affected by generalized name familiarity rather than issues.

    I think a law turnout hurts rather than helps Ted, although as I said, I think he still wins.

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    I think this race won't be as close as a lot of people think, for one simple reason: negative advertising from the challengers.

    Negative ads work great with independents. They often dislike the entire political process, so if you can find an effective smear, that's often enough to switch their vote to you. Democrats, on the other hand, really REALLY dislike smears. Our naturally sunny disposition, plus long experience being swift-boated at all levels by Republicans, make the perpetrator of a smear more likely to lose Democratic votes than gain them. So unless you've caught your opponent screwing his neighbor's cat, it's best to shut up and tell people why you deserve the job - not why the other guy doesn't.

    That's why Kulongoski will win. ( It's also why Mike Bohan will win. )

  • Sid Leader (unverified)
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    I'll bet y'all "dollars to donuts" more Portlanders voted for American Idol last week than vote in today's election.

    If Channel 12 is reading, hardly likely, it'd be a GREAT story.

    Very very sad, but great.

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    Jack,

    Much as I'd like to bump Len from the KGW analyst slot, I think he's right here. I think your logic holds also, but I'd add a twist that I think helps Ted.

    It's hard to mobilize turnout based on a negative appeal. I think that's all I've seen from the Hill campaign--vote against Ted. I haven't been exposed to many positive arguments to vote for Jim.

    What it comes down to, then, is who the party loyalists and other frequent voters will support. I would say the known quantity, the one who won last time, in hopes that he'll win again. To me, that says they'll opt for Ted K (esp. among those not in Mult. Co).

  • Winston Wolfe (unverified)
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    Paul,

    You made a great point. Hill's Campaign made a huge error. To De-seat an incumbant you must do two things. 1.) Prove he needs to be replaced. 2.) Show you are a better devil then the one people already know.

    Oregonians already thought Kulongoski was a Democrat-light. Hill should have focused on his record not bashing Ted. It cost him the election. Oops.

    "Lots of cream, lots of sugar."

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    I'll stick with my analysis: In a low turn-out race, the Democrats who are mad at Ted are more likely to vote than those who are generally satisfied. I think he still wins because he is the incumbent and because Jim Hill was not visible until the last two weeks, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Jim come a lot closer than earlier polls have been predicting.

  • Arcadian (unverified)
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    I second Jack R's analysis. I think Hill comes dangerously close, perhaps "we have to wait till the wee hours to know for sure" close to Kulongoski.

    I think it's a fairly simple formula:

    Union GOTV + Disaffected Activist Urban D base + historic low voter turn out = Hill coming in north of 40 %.

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    Usually low voter turn out means that the average age goes up. Since it was 60 four years ago, will it be even older this year if turnout is lower? If so I believe that the older voters are less interested in Hill, in Sten, in Linn. The real question is how many of those eager young activists are there really?

  • j.biddy (unverified)
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    Speaking to the turnout issue, I can tell you that the student government at PSU is shooting for 1600 PSU student ballots. There are 25,000 plus students at PSU and the average age of student is about 28 years old. I think we're still shy of the goal.

    Most student activists have been tied up in the immigration issue rather than working for candidates's campaigns.

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    Survey USA (KATU)just released new poll results from yesterday. It is an automated poll and in fact I was called and participated in the poll. The Results:

    Kulongoski 48% Hill 27 Sorenson 17 Undecided 17

    Saxton 36 Atkinson 26 Mannix 24 Other 11 undecided 4

    Let's compare this tonight. Keep in mind that when the call came in at least half of the vote was already in.

  • Gil Johnson (unverified)
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    I haven't voted yet because I got sent a Democratic primary ballot after re-registering non-affiliated when I signed Westlund's petition, and I haven't had time to go down to 1041 SE Morrison to straighten it out, if it can be straightend out in a timely manner. If not, I'll probably vote for Hill, not that I'm that much enamored with him. I think it would be interesting to set up a three-way race between a liberal (though Hill isn't all that liberal), centerist (which is what Westlund will turn out to be) and a right wing nutjo--er, conservative.

    The race that interests me is Sten-Burdick-et al. And whether Sten wins it now or has to face a run-off. As a voter who is very close to the average age cited by John Calhoun, I don't think I'm alone in supporting Sten. Northwest Portland and the eastside bungalow belt will turn out in higher numbers than the rest of the city, and that's Sten's territory.

    Low turnout may push the Listerines up in the standings, and thereby enhance Jack Bog's rep, but I still doubt that Lister hits double digits.

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    Gil, if you received both a nonpartisan ballot AND a Dem ballot - then one of those ballots is already invalid. Lots of discussion about this over at BoJack.

  • robert (unverified)
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    For Len, Kevin, and Winston... Low turn-out hurts Ted.....and really helps Jim Hill... The passionate union voters are the only ones voting in the primary....the other Dems are not voting, because they think Ted has it in the bag.. The recent polls cited are also wrong...

    Wait until tomorrow morning... Ted 41% Jim 43% Pete 16%

    This is my nonscientific poll....which is about as accurate as Len, or any other other polls...

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    I just went back and looked at the Survey USA poll from a week ago. For the Dem's the numbers barely moved. Ted dropped one point, Hill and Sorenson went up 2 each.

    The Republicans showed much more movement. Saxton is down 4, Mannix down 3 and Atkinson jumped 8. Just goes to show you how negative ads in a 3 way race benefit the guy who keeps his head down.

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    Paul Van Orden's gonna sneak up on Ted, Jim, and Pete. Just you wait!

  • Winston Wolfe (unverified)
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    Robert,

    Are you drinking Kool-Aid? If yes, that would explain why you are hopelessly defending a man who will be lucky to pull 40%.

    Also...can I have some?

    "I'm Winston Wolfe. I solve problems...may I come in?"

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    Ted will win, and surprisingly easily. This is based on a particular punditocracy poll I saw today, and my own informal polling of my circle. This is a Nadar-heavy crowd who have nothing effusive to say about Ted, and yet they're all voting for him. I don't think Jim or Peter ever made the case that they were worthy of the protest vote, and I think liberals are newly reluctant to cast votes where the effect may be a right-wing debacle. It's the righties who are freaked right now.

  • Kevin (unverified)
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    Robert & Jack, the glaring problem that I see with your argument is that it ignores school levies around the state. Lots of those same citizens who don't much care about politics have kids in public schools and will be motivated to "turn out" just on that basis alone. That's not to say that they will constitute a majority of the turn out. But, it's a significant motivating factor that you've overlooked and which doesn't fit into your assumptions.

  • tony (unverified)
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    Can anybody argue that all 17 percent of those polling for Sorenson won't turn out? Who the hell knows who he is except for those who are dedicated, committed voters. If he is polling so high with registered voters, one could only assume that his numbers would be twice as high when the voter turnout is in the 40-45% range. It would shock me if most of those out there who say they are going to vote for him don't, where it wouldn't shock me if a lot of K voters stay home. Same goes for Hill. You call a good union member and ask them who they will vote for, the say hill, but lets face it, not all unioners are politicos and they just don't give a damn. I think it is appauling that even on this site, Pete hasn't been given a fair shake, and I am not even a staunch supporter. Only a few people who know me, know I voted for him. When asked who I think is good I say, "Pete is the best on the issues, Jim would be the best Governor/Manager, and Teddy is the best candidate, and then I leave it up to the person to decide what they want out of a candidate.

  • tony (unverified)
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    Can anybody argue that all 17 percent of those polling for Sorenson won't turn out? Who the hell knows who he is except for those who are dedicated, committed voters. If he is polling so high with registered voters, one could only assume that his numbers would be twice as high when the voter turnout is in the 40-45% range. It would shock me if most of those out there who say they are going to vote for him don't, where it wouldn't shock me if a lot of K voters stay home. Same goes for Hill. You call a good union member and ask them who they will vote for, the say hill, but lets face it, not all unioners are politicos and they just don't give a damn. I think it is appauling that even on this site, Pete hasn't been given a fair shake, and I am not even a staunch supporter. Only a few people who know me, know I voted for him. When asked who I think is good I say, "Pete is the best on the issues, Jim would be the best Governor/Manager, and Teddy is the best candidate, and then I leave it up to the person to decide what they want out of a candidate.

  • LT (unverified)
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    For all of those wondering about low turnout, I was thinking about a study (maybe it was a book) some years ago ---research on the effect of negative campaigns.

    It was not long after those advertising professionals took out that full page ad after a particularly nasty election year (questioning whether candidates were criminals and other slimy tricks like that) and thought their industry (the one that advertises goods and services) had been maligned. They said "call them attacks or political dirty tricks, but DON'T CALL IT ADVERTISING!"

    The study (awhile ago, as I said) was along the lines that there was not direct correlation that if, for instance, Joe Jones attacked Sue Smith that Joe would beat Sue in a landslide. What they found was something quite different--Joe's supporters would turn out (if they weren't turned off by the ads), Sue's supporters would be really angry and double their efforts on the campaign as well as voting. BUT, the great middle, the ones who had no connection to Joe or Sue might just get disgusted and say "Politicians are all alike" and not vote.

    That, folks, is not apathy. That is anger at the process with people deliberately deciding not to vote. Same with cases where people return their ballots without all the ballot lines filled out. It might be "that judge or other position is not contested and I never heard of that person so why vote?. It might be what I did for state rep. last time--couldn't vote for the incumbent but was underwhelmed by the challenger who hadn't really campaigned.

    And then there are those who say something like "Gosh! I am so busy! The election is THIS Tuesday? I won't get back from my business trip until Thursday!"

    Not everyone watches television (some watch maybe 3 shows a week on broadcast TV and seldom watch the local news).

    Seems to me it is the job of campaigns to reach those people in other ways (door to door being one of them). Someone who proposes solutions which get talked about in social circles would be a nice thing to see (I suspect that is part of Westlund's appeal).

    And it seems to me that candidates who inspire the public are more likely to get people to pay attention sufficiently so they mark election day on the calendar or whatever.

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    If he is polling so high with registered voters, one could only assume that his numbers would be twice as high when the voter turnout is in the 40-45% range.

    Yeah, only the polling isn't done on registered voters. It's done on likely voters -- with various rubrics used to define that universe.

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    I agree with LT.

    While the numbers may differ some from the polls, it's clear to me that Kulongoski will win easily, by 7%-8% minimum.

    The bigger story, as I've watched the momo, is that Mannix's political career is virtually dead. Watch him come in third.

    So here's another question: In the coming Kulongoski-Saxton race, will the group LT identified skip voting and hand the race to Saxton? Or will progressives fight for Kulongoski, without always mentioning the disparaging qualifiers surrounding him?

    I've been disappointed in Ted, but I can say the same about every governor since I moved to Oregon in 1976. Except Kitzhaber. Kulongoski, I believe, has a lot of untapped potential, though, if we can hand him a Democratic state legislature to work with.

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    Btw, here in Lane County, I hear it's 27% voting, but that's still low. Will it aid Pete? Minimally. After all, Ted's a Lane County guy, too.

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    I agree with LT as well. But, describing it as anger rather than apathy is much more applicable to the short-term than it is to the long-term. That anger eventually turns into apathy most who don't get over it right away. And it gets fueled by what appears to them to be the extremes taking control of the process. An apathetic potential voter who sees what they perceive to be someone much to their Right running against someone they perceive to be much to their Left are just going to walk away disgusted, with their reasons for being apathetic only that much more reinforced in their own minds.

    I personally vascilate between apathy and anger. I always vote, but rarily is it a vote for someone rather than against someone.

    And I very much agree with LT about uncontested races. I personally refuse to vote in an uncontested race. I see nothing constructive about rubber-stamping as if this were a totalitarian regime sans any options.

    Seems to me it is the job of campaigns to reach those people in other ways (door to door being one of them).

    That's an excellent example! In the 2004 Forest Grove city commissioner race there were... I dunno... maybe eight candidates with the top 5 winning a seat. I voted for the only candidate who knocked on my door and asked me for my vote. I don't even know what her plank was. I didn't care, to be honest. What impressed me was that she asked for my vote by knocking my door and giving me her undivided attention however briefly. It could have been just a member of her election campaign and it would probably have had the same effect. I didn't vote for any of the other candidates listed.

    Seems to me it is the job of campaigns to reach those people in other ways (door to door being one of them). Someone who proposes solutions which get talked about in social circles would be a nice thing to see (I suspect that is part of Westlund's appeal).

    That's one contributing factor in some situations and a timely example too.

    A few weeks ago I attended a house party for... I think it was Saltzman? I don't remember, but I'm pretty sure it was for him. My Significant Other is a flaming progressive like most of you (liberals really are sexier. It's not even a contest, IMHO But that's another topic altogether. LOL) and I tagged along with her. There were maybe 25 people at the house party. Oh, and even though my car is plastered with Westlund stickers I really only expected to meet very loyal Democrats there. Much to my surprise I ended up in a three-way conversation with two other Westlund supporters about what we liked about his candidacy.

  • askquestions1st (unverified)
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    Assuming the early projects on turnout remain correct (and of course they may not) what about all that talk a couple of weeks ago about how Vote-By-Mail increases turnout? Anne Martens, do you have a comment?

    There is one possible alternative: That there are a huge number of Westlund supporters who haven't cast a ballot, but that would appear to not be very likely.

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    LT,

    The book was by Ansolabehere and Iyengar. It's a good read and yes you remember it accurately.

    <h2>And while hindsight is 20:20 (I'm posting this after I've seen the results), I think jeff A. is right again. Under vbm, you have a core of regular voters, and they just don't look like they do under precinct voting (partisans, unions and other mobilized groups). Also, the analyses above (diaffected urban liberals and union members) are far too Mult. Co. focussed. I bet Ted rocked downstate.</h2>

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