Support the troops. Bring them home.

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First, two panels from Sunday's Doonesbury 'toon:

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Then, this video - which I can't stop watching.

(Hat tip to Chris Bowers.)

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    On both sides. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of civilian families impacted.

    I appreciate that Ron Wyden is trying to win some military contract or other for Freightliner for military trucks bound for Iraq. I'd much rather, though, see our political leadership working to get us the heck out of there.

    There's already been enough heartbreak.

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    Oh my goodness. Heartbreaking video. If that's a happy ending, then you know it's unimaginable what other families go through when dads don't come home.

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    An excellent point, JS.

  • ValkRaider (unverified)
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    Here is another one that goes along with this theme:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmsOIjzQ1V8

    It is contains some profanity, including the F word - so may not be safe for a work or school environment. Watch at home or with headphones on.

  • ValkRaider (unverified)
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    Sorry, here is a clickable link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmsOIjzQ1V8

    disclaimer: link contains profanity

  • Scott in Damascus (unverified)
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    I was listening to an interview with Ms. Albright this morning on the Thom Hartmann show and she agrees with Henry "Bloody" Kissenger who has been advising Bush for two years now:

    ".... there is no military solution in Iraq and there will be no victory as we know it."

    Even this administration's own hand-pick, neocon, warmongering, troop-hating advisor says we're f&*ked.

  • Chris (unverified)
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    Someday I'll probably have to explain Iraq to my kids, that should be fun considering as of now I still have no idea what we're doing there or what the plan is.

  • Alex Davies (unverified)
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    And what is it exactly Democrats are doing to Bring Home The Troops? (I mean, besides giving Bush even more money for war-making in Iraq than he's asking, and refusing to demand he obtain congressional approval before attacking Iran?)

    Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi has the pathetic situation in Washington pegged:

    "As for everyone else -- specifically, the Democrats who sponsored and passed the timetable measure -- they benefited from the bill most directly, riding a crest of antiwar sentiment and setting the Democrats up as the party that will look the best in the eyes of frustrated, war-fatigued voters in 2008. But lost amid all of this antiwar posturing were a series of inconvenient truths. One was that the bill was always going to be meaningless because Bush was always going to veto it, there were never going to be enough votes to override the veto, and everybody knew there were never going to be enough votes to override the veto. The second is that the timetable measure was buried in an emergency spending bill to pay for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, a bill that ended up authorizing $122 billion in spending when the supposedly evil, warmongering, politically isolated Bush White House only asked for $103 billion. In other words, the outwardly combative Democratic leadership not only refused to do anything substantive to bring the troops home, it actually tossed Bush an extra $20 billion or for the war effort without prodding."

    But at least America's bipartisan-sponsored hate crime against the Iraqi people ends when happy days are here again in 2008, right?

    To the contrary, Taibbi also understands that if post-election withdrawal is what rank-and-file antiwar Democrats are dreaming about now, come January 2009 they're likely to find themselves (still) trapped in a nightmare from which there's neither awakening nor escape for a long, long time.

    "What worries me about this state of affairs is that presidents don't like to see military losses land on their watch. If a Democrat wins in '08, bet on it, an excuse will be found to keep the troops there. The first day after her inauguration, when Hillary Clinton wakes up with a champagne hangover to hear Mark Daley (or whoever her chief of staff ends up being) tell her that 67 Marines have been slaughtered in a raid outside Ramadi, she is going to be powerfully tempted to prove that she has the stones to deal out the necessary payback. She'll ask for 10,000 extra troops and six months to "stabilize" the situation before initiating a withdrawal.

    "And once that happens, we'll be right back where we are now -- pretending we're against it, but without a way to actually make it happen while covering the requisite number of Washington asses. That's always what it comes down to, after all. And no matter how encouraged everyone seems to be by this withdrawal vote, I still haven't heard anyone tell me how the real pullout is going to work, politically that is. Because it's not enough that everyone knows it's necessary."

    In other words, get used to this whole aggressive war thing. Because without a tectonic grassroots American political repudiation of partisan Beltway power calculation (and consolidation), US taxpayer-financed mass murder abroad and destruction of liberty domestically is a virtual certainty for as far into the future as one cares to gaze.

  • ValkRaider (unverified)
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    In other words, get used to this whole aggressive war thing.

    -Alex Davies

    Isn't what you are saying, kind of part of the problem?

    What are "democrats" doing? you ask...

    Well, Why do you stop at the elected democrats? Why not focus also on the registered democrats?

    I think, that here at Blue Oregon, and myself, and other people I deal with daily - we are trying our best in many ways. I think that what we are trying to specificaly do is become the

    tectonic grassroots American political repudiation of partisan Beltway power calculation (and consolidation), US taxpayer-financed mass murder abroad and destruction of liberty domestically"

    We have to start somewhere. We have to let them know that it is IMPORTANT to us. Seriously. Not just lip service.

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    And what is it exactly Democrats are doing to Bring Home The Troops?

    Did I miss something?

    Didn't Harry Reid just announce that his intention to try to cut funding for the war next year? Didn't both houses pass an appropriations bill that sets a timetable for full withdrawal?

    What else, precisely, do you propose the legislature do to end U.S. involvement in Iraq?

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    How about they tie funding to the supplemental? If you notice closely, Reid signalled the Democrats will capitulate on funding the troops once Bush vetoes it. The Feingold bill is a standalone; once the veto happens a weaker funding bill will be prepared--weaker meaning, without a timeline.

    Once freed from the problem of not wanting to vote against a funding bill, why would conservative Democrats bother voting to cut off funding in a vaccum?

  • Mary Jane (unverified)
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    RETREAT!!!

    Once a democrat is Prez - then WAR will be ok., and there will be no more ANTI-WAR Rallies.

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    How about they tie funding to the supplemental?

    Can you clarify what you mean? To the best of my knowledge, all funding for Iraq and Afghanistan is being done through supplemental budget requests.

    Also, what makes you think that Reid intends to cave? What specific statements have you seen to that effect?

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    For what it's worth, here's Obama's statement on Iraq:

    “The American people and their Congress have said repeatedly that they will no longer accept a war without end in Iraq . If the President chooses to ignore the people’s will and play politics with the funding for our troops, Democrats and Republicans will continue to ratchet up the pressure on this Administration to change course in Iraq and bring this war to a responsible end, and I will continue to fight for my plan that would begin a phased withdrawal from Iraq with the goal of bringing all combat troops home by March 31st, 2008.”

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    "How about they tie funding to the supplemental?

    Can you clarify what you mean? To the best of my knowledge, all funding for Iraq and Afghanistan is being done through supplemental budget requests.

    Also, what makes you think that Reid intends to cave? What specific statements have you seen to that effect?"

    I meant they tie CUTTING OFF funding to the supplemental. In other words, that the timetable stays where it is, in the supplemental bill, until Bush is forced to sign it.

    As for specific statements, his spokesman lays out the plan:

    The bill to cut off funds for the war would likely be introduced as standalone legislation and would not be tied to the supplemental spending bill, Manley said.
    Like Obama, he is signalling that they will send up a clean or weaker bill if the President vetoes. There's no reason to have a standalone bill unless the supplemental will be going through without a timetable.

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    I meant they tie CUTTING OFF funding to the supplemental.

    What makes you think that Reid won't do that if the votes are there? If the votes aren't there, would it be better to force a vote that you're going to lose or come up with a plan B, plan C, and so on?

    I don't agree coming up with a contingency plan that is tantamount to caving. YMMV.

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    I meant they tie CUTTING OFF funding to the supplemental.

    What makes you think that Reid won't do that if the votes are there? If the votes aren't there, would it be better to force a vote that you're going to lose or come up with a plan B, plan C, and so on?

    I don't agree that coming up with a contingency plan is tantamount to caving. YMMV.

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    Harry Reid has been pretty clear:

    If the President vetoes this bill he will have delayed funding for troops and kept in place his strategy for failure.

    The Congress gave him every dollar he asked for, and then added a withdrawal deadline. He can't claim that they are denying funds to troops in the field -- only that he doesn't like the withdrawal deadline.

    Hopefully, they'll just keep sending this same bill to him - over and over and over.

  • Dem Voter (unverified)
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    Since the Democrats in Congress can't get it right and cut off funding for the war against Iraq now, lets hope that Bush does veto the war funding supplement. Hopefully, the Democrats will simply agree and move on to other business.

    It's too bad that the Democratic party is more interested in gaining support among Republicans than Democrats.

  • Sharon (unverified)
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    I can't help but wish that the soldier and his son had a private reunion, instead of in front of all of the boy's classmates and cameras. That said, I cry everytime I see it.

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