Greg Walden for Governor: "almost certain disaster" says GOP blog

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Oregon Republicans are in a bad place. Gordon Smith's poll numbers are in the toilet; they've got first-time candidates running for Treasurer and Secretary of State; no one running for Attorney General; the only 4th District resident running for Congress is running in the 3rd District; and let's not even talk about the absurdity that is Mike Erickson.

Congressman Greg Walden has been seen as one of the bright spots. (Never mind the fact that he apparently doesn't know how to use a telephone.)

But now Larry Huss - former Oregon head of U.S. West and active Oregon Republican - argues that a Greg Walden for Governor campaign would be an "almost certain disaster". From Oregon Catalyst:

The only bright light remaining for the Republicans is Congressman Greg Walden and there are those in the Republican Party who seem to be hell bent on convincing him to run for governor in 2010 – an almost certain disaster given the state of the Oregon Republican Party.

Why a disaster? Because there's schism in the Oregon GOP between social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, and a GOP-leaning business community that thinks "having your picture taken with an public official is often times more important than doing the right thing", according to Huss.

He calls Gordon Smith "clueless" and Kevin Mannix a "non-conservative" (surely an insult!).

Wow. It sure is fun to watch the other side tear itself to pieces.

  • Samuel John Klein (unverified)
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    Shucks, I wouldn't worry about them GOPers. After all, they got that (chuckle) Conservative Majority project (barely suppressed snicker) to keep them warm on the cold nights to come.

    But calling Ben Westlund the least trustworthy Republican in Oregon? Heh. What they meant was smartest Republican in Oregon.

    It is satisfying to see the GOP engage in the circular firing squad that was up to now the exclusive province of us liberals. Does a body good.

  • Kurt Chapman (unverified)
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    Well, actually I agree. It would be a HUGE mistake for Greg Waldon to run for governor. Not gonna happen. The GOP in Oregon is in shables and will require several years of rebuilding to find itself.

    In the meantime we need to hope that the winners (by default) Oregon democrats don't flush the state down into the sewer.

  • Bill R. (unverified)
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    A pro-choice candidate can't win the Repub primary. So Greg Walden isn't going anywhere.

    Is Larry Huss any relation to Walter Huss who took over the Repub. party in the 1970s briefly.

  • admiral_naismith (unverified)
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    But calling Ben Westlund the least trustworthy Republican in Oregon? Heh. What they meant was smartest Republican in Oregon.

    Q: What do you call the smartest Republican in Oregon?

    A: A newly registered Democrat.

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    It was interesting to read the post and the responses. As a former member of the Republican party when the Republicans provided progressive leadership in Oregon, it was interesting to see that there was not a single Republican posting who has a clue how out of touch they are. They keep thinking that by re-tooling their ads or finding happier candidates they can win even though their policies are an anathema to a growing majority of Oregonians. Now I realize that bloggers do not make up the party, but they do represent the core of the party (at least they do here). The fact that the discussion there is so distanced from reality says they are not close to solving their problems. Look for growing Democratic margins here in Oregon in 2008 and beyond.

  • joel dan walls (unverified)
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    Wow. It sure is fun to watch the other side tear itself to pieces.

    That's also the attitude of many Republicans watching the Democratic presidential gladiatorial contest.

  • josh reynolds (unverified)
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    What I have noticed is how many talented elected officials on both sides have chosen to run for local office instead of the legislature. Frankly, I don't blame them as that is where things get done and they also get much higher name id and are much better known in their respective communities.

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    "Wow. It sure is fun to watch the other side tear itself to pieces." "That's also the attitude of many Republicans watching the Democratic presidential gladiatorial contest."

    The difference being when the smoke clears after the Dems Convention, they will be in a pretty good position to swamp the republicans, who will continue to fight and sputter, and have very few if any viable contestants.

  • Gregory (unverified)
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    I am a amateur radio operator. So is Mr. Walden. I want to support the guy on that basis, but I can't support the right wing.

  • gludt (unverified)
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    Doesn't the idea of a one-party state scare you?

  • LT (unverified)
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    The idea of the KKK running the legislature (and the state?) early in Charles McNary's Sen. career bothered me, but the idea of returning to the days when there are serious adults in charge instead of the bullying Minnis/Scott types doesn't bother me at all. We need to go back to the days when legislative decisions were made in open hearings, not behind closed doors.

    And with the high NAV rate (it will be interesting to see what those numbers are at the end of the year, now that there won't be a primary until 2010) I still think a statement made in 1996 is true at some level, "the fastest growing party is no party at all".

    A lot has been said on BO on how to attract those who registered to vote in the presidential primary but may have undervoted in many other races.

    Paulie has some good ideas, but here is one Walden should be challenged on: What is he doing to help homeowners in Jackson County (incl. those who found better jobs elsewhere but still can't sell their homes in Medford area or elsewhere in Jackson County) who can't even get straight answers from their lenders?

    From what I hear, if people contact the lender to try to restructure (how much does it cost a bank to foreclose? wouldn't it make sense to work with the people who have been paying on time but recently the payment has become too tough for them to pay?) sometimes they get a different answer every time they call. Is that the sort of thing the local Congressman should look into?

    Isn't that an argument for more government regulation of lending institutions? "Free Market" probably doesn't sound as appealing to such folks in rural Oregon as it does to those ideologues in DC.

    Now, whether the bloggers in the title of this topic see it that way would be something else. But didn't FDR build at least some of his name by this sort of intelligent government regulation?

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    So being a disaster as Governor of Oregon would make Greg Walden different from any other Republican... how?

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    That wasn't me who italicized the entire freaking thread, now, was it?

    And oh, yeah - can we give peace a chance with IE7 while we're at it, and get the menus to appear directly underneath their headings? Is it really so hard to throw in another style rule:

    ^left: oh, about 40px;

    ?

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    Why on earth would Walden give up his seat to run for governor??? The pay is about half and the workload and amount of details you have to pay attention to as a chief executive is much greater than in Congress. What ever you think of Walden, I've never seen him described as nuts, and he'd have to be to give up the bird he has so firmly in hand.

  • Steve Bucknum (unverified)
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    As some of you know, over here in Crook Co. we really took on Greg Walden last election cycle, going so far as to establish on our website his voting record on key issues that show him to be working against the Second Congressional District and our State in his zeal to be a true Republican (e.g. Bush supporter). In our research we found that the true picture of Walden is that he rides the back bench in Congress. His Congressional District is thought to be secure by the Republicans, so they don't give him anything. In the context of Washington DC, Walden is powerless, pointless, and irrelevant.

    So, it was incredibly ironic, and very desperate, so see Walden held out as the "hope of Oregon Republicans" -

    "Responsibility for the resurrection of Oregon’s Republicans rests with all of these groups. It starts with those who provide the financial support for Oregon’s Republicans. It is incumbent upon them to begin this process by finding a leader who will undertake this difficult task, and to provide him the means by which to exercise the discipline necessary to complete the task. The task will be Herculean.

    My suggestion is that rather than encourage Greg Walden to undertake a difficult and risky campaign for governor that he be encouraged to remain in Congress and undertake the difficult task of repairing and re-uniting Oregon’s Republicans. The resurrection of the Republican Party can be done. But unless is begins soon, it will a generation or more before the opportunity presents itself again."

    If Walden is their leader, then this back bench spineless, do nothing, and say nothing (as he acts in Washington DC), will have to undergo a personality implant. He is just not capable of the kind of leadership that works to unite factions. The only thing he is good at is telling our Congressional District one thing, and doing the opposite in Washington DC. He is even afraid to make public appearances in the District!

    If Walden is the last hope of the Republicans in Oregon, then they have no hope at all.

  • Dale Thompson (unverified)
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    A one party state? Gimme a break. We're talking about Democrats here! About Greg Walden, caution is his middle name, he's not about to try anything that the result may (will) not be certain victory. I don't think you will ever meet a more cautious (i.e. less assertive) politician. He takes the "go along to get along" way of politics to new levels.

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    As a blogger, I hope and pray that Greg Walden runs for governor in Oregon.

    Not only will it make for some great stuff to write about, once we extricate his butt from that seat, perhaps we can get someone in there who'll actually represent the voters of CD-2.

    As someone who grew up in Eastern Oregon, its disconcerting to watch my town choked off from growth and stability. Walden's lack of leadership and empty-suit mentality have contributed to its demise.

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    In fairness to my friend Larry Huss, he is not singling out Greg Walden as someone whose candidacy for Governor would be a disaster; he's saying any Republican campaign for governor will be a disaster unless the party finds some way to stop tearing itself apart.

    That's hardly stop the presses stuff. We Republicans have lost six straight governor's races with a range of candidates from Norma Paulus, Dave Frohnmayer, Denny Smith, Bill Sizemore, Kevin Mannix to Ron Saxton. It is hard to look at that list and say we lose because we keep nominating the same kind of candidates.

    Personally, I hope Greg Walden does run for governor and will enthusiastically support him, but if all we do is nominate a different candidate without looking at the other things Larry identified as necessary to bring the party together, we probably will still lose.

    And unlike the vast majority of you who post on this blog, I think that would be too bad.

  • LT (unverified)
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    Jack, Norma lost in part because those who had known her as an excellent state rep. and then Sec. of State didn't recognize the candidate for Gov.---not the first or last politician to fall for the idea that if consultants remade them, their old friends would follow like sheep. History shows the reverse is true (in either party)---"gee, I'd gladly vote for my old friend, but I don't recognize this person".

    Dave made some mistakes (from misquoting his opponent's legislative record and being found out to the infamous brick through the plate glass window ad and "she's a Democrat, therefore she doesn't know the value of a dollar") People who had supported him for AG refused to support him for Gov. He came from a famous family, his opponent had raised kids on a bookkeeper's salary, but because Dave was R he "knew the value of a dollar" better than any D? Frequent response I heard to that was "Yeah, right, tell me another one".

    A Republican friend who is active in current politics was being asked to endorse a Gov. candidate in 2006 and responded, "You show me a candidate with a vision for the future and a plan to carry it out, and I'll endorse that person". To the best of my knowledge, he never endorsed one.

    Truth is, Norma and Dave were quality candidates who made mistakes in their campaigns. The ones since had a specific target audience which did not include independent minded voters or voters who said "OK, all taxes are evil? Then tell us in great detail exactly what you would cut to avoid raising taxes, and how you plan to win the votes for those cuts". Kim Thatcher's "we must have spending discipline but don't ask for details because we must have spending discipline" attitude just infuriates people. She may not speak for the party, but she is an elected official with an R after her name. Unless other Republicans denounce that attitude, it is the public position of a Republican elected official.

    For too long, the perception has been (with exceptions like Frank Morse and former Republican Ben Westlund) that Republicans would rather play games than solve problems or (gasp!) listen to ordinary Oregonians. As much as I disagree with Ted Ferrioli on so many issues, he has been more open to discussion with an ordinary person than most in Republican leadership.

    There are very real problems in this state which would not be fixed even if every Oregonian were to say in unison "abortion, gay marriage, and taxes are evil". I'm talking about crumbling infrastructure (including old school buildings, old roads, old bridges); rural counties with financial problems and people who can't sell their homes if they move away for better jobs; the way we budget in this state; unemployment/underemployment; whether we want our children and grandchildren to believe that the kicker and the double majority are really in the interest of ordinary 21st century Oregonians.

    The kids who were born the year Measure 5 passed are now 18. The kids who saw the 5/47 cuts to schools have now been out of school long enough to have been paying income tax on any job they have. Therefore, they are "the taxpayers" even if they were not old enough to vote on 5/47. So, the idea that "the taxpayers" wanted 5 and 47 is outdated at the very least.

    And then, of course, there is the issue of Measure 49. Look at the counties where it passed by more than 55% (didn't Kari do some maps here right after that election?). As I recall, counties like Marion and Polk which often go Republican went strongly YES on Measure 49. Would candidates on any level in such areas who preach the OIA point of view win? Or just sound like "well, the voters have spoken on tax measures when we liked the result, but they didn't really mean it on 49?"

    I was a Tom McCall Republican. About the time McCall died, the Republican party started telling people like me, "we don't want your kind'. Now, decades later, the result could be described by one of Winston Churchill's WWII books: REAPING THE WHIRLWIND.

    More importantly, who is speaking to those under 35 from the GOP point of view the way groups like the Oregon Bus Project speak to young people? Only people under 40 can address that problem, not people old enough to have been voting for Norma or Dave.

    Does the Republican party want to continue debating all the issues of the 1990s? Or might they be wise to do town hall meetings open to all in a community and actually LISTEN to what ordinary voters are saying in 2008?

  • Lee (unverified)
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    Jack, your friend Larry can do his part to start the constructive dialog by dropping the GOP's nasty and childish mis-use of the Democratic Party's name. It's the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party.

  • Keizer (unverified)
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    With all due respect to the Honorable Jack Roberts, a bigger sanctimonious, arrogant, self aggrandizing, pompous, won’t-listen-to-anyone-under-60, good-for-nothing douche bag than Larry Huss you cannot find. The fact that anyone ever paid this windbag a dime in Republican circles for his “services” is beyond me. Stop helping, Huss, seriously.

  • LT (unverified)
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    Right on Lee!

    Huss and the other members of the Republic party don't seem to realize they just sound childish.

  • MarkDaMan (unverified)
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    What Dem is challenging Walden this year? And, what can we do to get that person elected?

    This whole conversation is moot if he is no longer representing Oregon when the 2009 legislature begins.

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    Jack, your friend Larry can do his part to start the constructive dialog by dropping the GOP's nasty and childish mis-use of the Democratic Party's name. It's the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party.

    Did you see the Rules Committee session of the DNC on Saturday? What was democratic about that?

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    Jack, it's a proper name. Lee and LT are right, it's childish to pretend otherwise. If you want to be childish too, that's your call.

    You also know perfectly well, I assume, that the respective names of the parties refer to ideals about the character of politics and social relations for the society, not any sort of description about the party as an organization.

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    You're right, of course, Chris and I actually don't engage in that silly wordsmithing, in large part because I don't want to be accused of being part of the Republic Party.

  • Jim Loewen. (unverified)
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    Democtats have as much chance of winning district 2 as the Republicans do of winning 3.

    Never mind who the GOP is running for Governor. Who will the Democrats run and I can only hope it's someone better then the incumbent

  • Carl Strohmeyer (unverified)
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    This point: "having your picture taken with an public official is often times more important than doing the right thing" fits Greg Walden to a T. This guy could never do what was right if it hit him up side the head with a brick.

    I hope a pray the Republican party in Oregon can do better than his type or others like him such as Gordon Anderson! Greg Walden; WWJD?

  • Ernie D (unverified)
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    <h2>Walden for Gov? I almost feel bad for Jason Atkinson since he wants it so badly.</h2>

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